Vitascene with Edius Alpha Channel

[TrackRanger]

I recently purchased Vitascene to use with Edius 4.6. I found that the rendered effects in Edius are not the same as they display in Vitascene (I'm pressing Save and F12 to exit from Vitascene). I have attached samples to demonstrate the problem.

I contacted Prodad for help and they replied:
"what you see is a limitation of Edius - not a bug of VitaScene.
VitaScene already supports Alpha Channel but the Edius plugin interface still doesn´t.
As soon as Edius will support the alphachannel for plugins it will work.
We hope to see this feature in one of the next versions."

Does anybody know a workaround?

Does anybody know if Edius are undertaking (or contemplating) work on the alpha channel for Plugins?

Thanks, Trevor

[Jerry]

I recently purchased Vitascene to use with Edius 4.6. I found that the rendered effects in Edius are not the same as they display in Vitascene (I'm pressing Save and F12 to exit from Vitascene). I have attached samples to demonstrate the problem.

I contacted Prodad for help and they replied:
"what you see is a limitation of Edius - not a bug of VitaScene.
VitaScene already supports Alpha Channel but the Edius plugin interface still doesn´t.
As soon as Edius will support the alphachannel for plugins it will work.
We hope to see this feature in one of the next versions."

Does anybody know a workaround?

Does anybody know if Edius are undertaking (or contemplating) work on the alpha channel for Plugins?

Thanks, Trevor

I use Vitascene as well. It will work with videos at the time of creation. As far as a seperate output for use later it will not work. For those I use AE with the Vitascene plugin. You might be able to do a matte workaround, but I think that would take a lot of time.
I would not expect full alpha support in any version of 4.xx. I believe that will be in the next version. Along with Vista support, I would also expect
alpha and a few other enhancements.

[Bluetongue]

I am not sure what you are trying to do as when I use Vitascene and view or output the video in or from Edius the effect appears the same in All?
Are you trying to output a file from Vitascene or from Edius?
Regards Barry

[Rusty]

He's after the Alpha gradient (shine) text effects...
I've had no luck ether.

[Bluetongue]

Ok I have not tried the text effects yet, I have been using Boris for that as that is one part that does work well outside Edius for titles and saves the CanopusHQ with transparent alpha for placing straight on the timeline, I will give it a go and let you know
Regards Barry

[Bluetongue]

Yep exactly the same problem
Works OK in stand alone except it does not seem to get the alpha chanel quite right but as a filter inside Edius, nothing.
Definately a bug and this is with a recommended program, so is Boris so I am not surprised
Regards Barry

[TrackRanger]

Vitascene with Edius Alpha Channel

GV / KH: is this one for the Sticky Subjects Lists? The Edius Pro options page clearly lists Prodad Vitascene as a third-party EDIUS Add-on and Plug-in. That was one of the things that influenced my purchase decision.

And it seems that the problem is not with Vitascene, but a limitation or inability in the plug in kit to use the alpha channel.

Edius Broadcast is not exactly a budget NLE.

And alpha channels are not exactly new...

Thanks,

Trevor

[Jerry]

GV / KH: is this one for the Sticky Subjects Lists? The Edius Pro options page clearly lists Prodad Vitascene as a third-party EDIUS Add-on and Plug-in. That was one of the things that influenced my purchase decision.

And it seems that the problem is not with Vitascene, but a limitation or inability in the plug in kit to use the alpha channel.

Edius Broadcast is not exactly a budget NLE.

And alpha channels are not exactly new...

Thanks,

Trevor

Edius does not have "full" alpha support. As I stated earlier, if will more than likely be in the next version due out later this year.

That being said:

Take these steps to try this process. It works for me.
1. Create your title in photoshop with transparent background
2. import that into your bin
3. put a background video on a track
4. put your title from photoshop on a higher track
5. drag and drop Vitascene Filter onto title
6. choose edit and pick the title effects under transitions
7. choose your effect.....a couple of these would not work for me
8. return to edius
9. add motion through 3d pip
10. play effect or render if needed
If you need further help just pm me and I will help you out.

[TrackRanger]

Thanks Jerry, sent a PM. Not sure if Photoshop is my answer.
Trevor

[TrackRanger]

May have found an answer.
I exported the TMP to an AVI, imported that into Vitascene, added the effects, exported from Vitascene (as Canopus lossless), imported back into Edius, and the alpha effects have been retained. Great! Little bit time consuming, but it works by completely bypassing the Vitascene Plugin in Edius.

Thanks to Jerry H for the tips.

Trevor

[bigrick]

Same problem with Graffiti

I have been having the same problem, trying to get the exact same effect with Graffiti.

Trevor, I wanted to try your solution, so I made a title with TitleMotionPro (TMP), animated it in TMP, but when I used export, it did not allow me to export in AVI.

How did you manage to do that?


Rick

[TrackRanger]

Hi Rick

I exported the TMP clip from the timeline, by saving it as a file (from Edius), using ProCoder Express to choose the output type.

This document shows how. Hope this explains OK. Please let me know if i can help further.
Regards

Trevor

[bigrick]

Thanks Trevor. Very clear method.

I don't have Vitascene, so I tried it with Boris FX which has the same effect as the one you are using with Vitascene. It worked up to the point where I need to save in Canopus Lossless. Boris does't allow me to do this, so I guess I will have to wait until GrassValley implement the alpha channel with plugins.

Hard to believe that such a good NLE hasn't implemented this necessary feature yet. Lets hope for the next version.....

Rick

[TrackRanger]

Thanks for your comments Rick. Does Boris allow you save in another format? It doesn't have to be Canopus Lossless.

Anyway, I agree that GV need to get this feature working, otherwise, much plugin functionality is useless. Other NLE's have Alpha Channel support for plugins, and I would have thought that a high profile NLE such as Edius wouldn't have slipped behind the pack.

I sent a "Feature Request" to GV for this but it hasn't been posted yet. It's over to GV... (GV?)

[Romigo]

Does anybody know WHEN and IF the edius ALFACANAL will be fixed ????