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    I recently purchased Vitascene to use with Edius 4.6. I found that the rendered effects in Edius are not the same as they display in Vitascene (I'm pressing Save and F12 to exit from Vitascene). I have attached samples to demonstrate the problem.

    I contacted Prodad for help and they replied:
    "what you see is a limitation of Edius - not a bug of VitaScene.
    VitaScene already supports Alpha Channel but the Edius plugin interface still doesn´t.
    As soon as Edius will support the alphachannel for plugins it will work.
    We hope to see this feature in one of the next versions."

    Does anybody know a workaround?

    Does anybody know if Edius are undertaking (or contemplating) work on the alpha channel for Plugins?

    Thanks, Trevor
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  • #2
    Originally posted by TrackRanger View Post
    I recently purchased Vitascene to use with Edius 4.6. I found that the rendered effects in Edius are not the same as they display in Vitascene (I'm pressing Save and F12 to exit from Vitascene). I have attached samples to demonstrate the problem.

    I contacted Prodad for help and they replied:
    "what you see is a limitation of Edius - not a bug of VitaScene.
    VitaScene already supports Alpha Channel but the Edius plugin interface still doesn´t.
    As soon as Edius will support the alphachannel for plugins it will work.
    We hope to see this feature in one of the next versions."

    Does anybody know a workaround?

    Does anybody know if Edius are undertaking (or contemplating) work on the alpha channel for Plugins?

    Thanks, Trevor

    I use Vitascene as well. It will work with videos at the time of creation. As far as a seperate output for use later it will not work. For those I use AE with the Vitascene plugin. You might be able to do a matte workaround, but I think that would take a lot of time.
    I would not expect full alpha support in any version of 4.xx. I believe that will be in the next version. Along with Vista support, I would also expect
    alpha and a few other enhancements.
    Jerry
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    • #3
      I am not sure what you are trying to do as when I use Vitascene and view or output the video in or from Edius the effect appears the same in All?
      Are you trying to output a file from Vitascene or from Edius?
      Regards Barry
      Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
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      • #4
        He's after the Alpha gradient (shine) text effects...
        I've had no luck ether.
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        • #5
          Ok I have not tried the text effects yet, I have been using Boris for that as that is one part that does work well outside Edius for titles and saves the CanopusHQ with transparent alpha for placing straight on the timeline, I will give it a go and let you know
          Regards Barry
          Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
          GB GA-X58A-UD3R MB, i7 [email protected], 12G 1600mhz Mem, Samsung EVO-250G SSD, 3x2T RAID, GTX 970W OC, 2x24 inch LG Monitors
          Canon XH-A1/ Canon HF-G30, GoPro Hero3 Black, Edit @1920 50p HQ preset

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          • #6
            Yep exactly the same problem
            Works OK in stand alone except it does not seem to get the alpha chanel quite right but as a filter inside Edius, nothing.
            Definately a bug and this is with a recommended program, so is Boris so I am not surprised
            Regards Barry
            Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
            GB GA-X58A-UD3R MB, i7 [email protected], 12G 1600mhz Mem, Samsung EVO-250G SSD, 3x2T RAID, GTX 970W OC, 2x24 inch LG Monitors
            Canon XH-A1/ Canon HF-G30, GoPro Hero3 Black, Edit @1920 50p HQ preset

            https://vimeo.com/user2157719/videos
            Laptop ASUS G752VT-GC060T Win 10HP, Edius WG8.53 Samsung M2 SSD 256G+1Tb HD,

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            • #7
              Vitascene with Edius Alpha Channel

              GV / KH: is this one for the Sticky Subjects Lists? The Edius Pro options page clearly lists Prodad Vitascene as a third-party EDIUS Add-on and Plug-in. That was one of the things that influenced my purchase decision.

              And it seems that the problem is not with Vitascene, but a limitation or inability in the plug in kit to use the alpha channel.

              Edius Broadcast is not exactly a budget NLE.

              And alpha channels are not exactly new...

              Thanks,

              Trevor
              Intel Quad Core Extreme 3GHz/12M, 4Gb RAM, 2Tb Hot-swap (ARAID), NVIDIA GeoForce 8800 GTS, Edius Broadcast 4.61 / Edius 5.5, Procoder 3, DVDit Pro HD, Sonicfire Pro 5, Mercalli, Vitascene, Adorage. TwinPact 100, Pegasus, TMPro. VirtualDub

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TrackRanger View Post
                GV / KH: is this one for the Sticky Subjects Lists? The Edius Pro options page clearly lists Prodad Vitascene as a third-party EDIUS Add-on and Plug-in. That was one of the things that influenced my purchase decision.

                And it seems that the problem is not with Vitascene, but a limitation or inability in the plug in kit to use the alpha channel.

                Edius Broadcast is not exactly a budget NLE.

                And alpha channels are not exactly new...

                Thanks,

                Trevor
                Edius does not have "full" alpha support. As I stated earlier, if will more than likely be in the next version due out later this year.

                That being said:

                Take these steps to try this process. It works for me.
                1. Create your title in photoshop with transparent background
                2. import that into your bin
                3. put a background video on a track
                4. put your title from photoshop on a higher track
                5. drag and drop Vitascene Filter onto title
                6. choose edit and pick the title effects under transitions
                7. choose your effect.....a couple of these would not work for me
                8. return to edius
                9. add motion through 3d pip
                10. play effect or render if needed
                If you need further help just pm me and I will help you out.
                Last edited by Jerry; 03-29-2008, 07:26 PM.
                Jerry
                Six Gill DV
                www.sgdvtutorials.com
                If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                Vistitle YouTube Channel
                https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                • #9
                  Thanks Jerry, sent a PM. Not sure if Photoshop is my answer.
                  Trevor
                  Intel Quad Core Extreme 3GHz/12M, 4Gb RAM, 2Tb Hot-swap (ARAID), NVIDIA GeoForce 8800 GTS, Edius Broadcast 4.61 / Edius 5.5, Procoder 3, DVDit Pro HD, Sonicfire Pro 5, Mercalli, Vitascene, Adorage. TwinPact 100, Pegasus, TMPro. VirtualDub

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                  • #10
                    May have found an answer.
                    I exported the TMP to an AVI, imported that into Vitascene, added the effects, exported from Vitascene (as Canopus lossless), imported back into Edius, and the alpha effects have been retained. Great! Little bit time consuming, but it works by completely bypassing the Vitascene Plugin in Edius.

                    Thanks to Jerry H for the tips.

                    Trevor
                    Intel Quad Core Extreme 3GHz/12M, 4Gb RAM, 2Tb Hot-swap (ARAID), NVIDIA GeoForce 8800 GTS, Edius Broadcast 4.61 / Edius 5.5, Procoder 3, DVDit Pro HD, Sonicfire Pro 5, Mercalli, Vitascene, Adorage. TwinPact 100, Pegasus, TMPro. VirtualDub

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                    • #11
                      Same problem with Graffiti

                      I have been having the same problem, trying to get the exact same effect with Graffiti.

                      Trevor, I wanted to try your solution, so I made a title with TitleMotionPro (TMP), animated it in TMP, but when I used export, it did not allow me to export in AVI.

                      How did you manage to do that?


                      Rick
                      Last edited by bigrick; 04-02-2008, 02:36 AM.
                      BigRick, Montreal, Canada

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                      • #12
                        Hi Rick

                        I exported the TMP clip from the timeline, by saving it as a file (from Edius), using ProCoder Express to choose the output type.

                        This document shows how. Hope this explains OK. Please let me know if i can help further.
                        Regards

                        Trevor
                        Intel Quad Core Extreme 3GHz/12M, 4Gb RAM, 2Tb Hot-swap (ARAID), NVIDIA GeoForce 8800 GTS, Edius Broadcast 4.61 / Edius 5.5, Procoder 3, DVDit Pro HD, Sonicfire Pro 5, Mercalli, Vitascene, Adorage. TwinPact 100, Pegasus, TMPro. VirtualDub

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Trevor. Very clear method.

                          I don't have Vitascene, so I tried it with Boris FX which has the same effect as the one you are using with Vitascene. It worked up to the point where I need to save in Canopus Lossless. Boris does't allow me to do this, so I guess I will have to wait until GrassValley implement the alpha channel with plugins.

                          Hard to believe that such a good NLE hasn't implemented this necessary feature yet. Lets hope for the next version.....

                          Rick
                          BigRick, Montreal, Canada

                          EDIUS 8.3 with HDSpark - Intel I7-3770k, 16 GB Ram, Windows 10 64bit Home Premium, ASUS GF GTX560 TI 1 Gb Video Card and Intel® HD Graphics 4000, 2 X LCD 24" Monitors (1920X1200), 1 X LCD 32" Television
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                          • #14
                            Thanks for your comments Rick. Does Boris allow you save in another format? It doesn't have to be Canopus Lossless.

                            Anyway, I agree that GV need to get this feature working, otherwise, much plugin functionality is useless. Other NLE's have Alpha Channel support for plugins, and I would have thought that a high profile NLE such as Edius wouldn't have slipped behind the pack.

                            I sent a "Feature Request" to GV for this but it hasn't been posted yet. It's over to GV... (GV?)
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                            • #15
                              Does anybody know WHEN and IF the edius ALFACANAL will be fixed ????

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