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    Hi everyone, I've searched here but no result, sorry if this could be repost...
    I've both Edius 9.52.6384 and Edius 10.00.6653 on my laptop, everything seems to work fine with Edius X except for waveform generation when adding new clips to Bin and/or Timeline.
    It takes between 3 and 4 minutes to, e.g., create all the proper waveform cache for 15 minutes of XDCAM already ingested footage, soon after I've added it to Bin or Timeline!
    I cannot find a fix for this, the 9.52.xxxx version still works perfectly and creates waveforms at a glance (few seconds).
    The laptop mounts a fast 1 TB Samsung SSD, all the GV folders (for v.9 and v.10) are excluded from real time Windows antivirus/malware check, this is very odd.
    My XDCAM HD projects are the same created with v. 9 reopened in Edius 10, could that be a non-compliancy problem?
    Should I try and uninstall old Edius 9 to check if something changes?
    Any opinion is welcome!
    System specification attached here. Thanks in advance!System Laptop Acer Travelmate.jpg

  • #2
    Update 6653 is out, I think I am right that it does address this issue,
    JoiCam´s
    Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
    2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
    3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
    4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
    Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
    Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
    And more

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    • #3
      Not tested my self but I recall reading about it in the description.
      Could be wrong thought.
      JoiCam´s
      Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
      2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
      3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
      4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
      Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
      Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
      And more

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      • #4
        Originally posted by johannesj View Post
        Update 6653 is out, I think I am right that it does address this issue,
        Thanks but that is the version I'm using. The release notes do not mention the slow waveform creation problem I'm facing.

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        • #5
          Don't have XDCAM footage, I just tried 30 minute mp4 FHD 50fps 100 Mbit/s footage from GH5 - it took around 10 seconds to generate wav from Samsung evo basic 500 GB SSD .... on EDIUS X 6653.

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          • #6
            can you disable as seen in attached and try again
            https://www.videoproductions.com.au/...round-jobs.png
            Anton Strauss
            Antons Video Productions - Sydney

            EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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            • #7
              Thanks Anton, that worked, I also questioned the same thing happening to me, what was causing it.
              Win10 Pro64, EDIUS 9, Intel i7 8700K @4.9GHz/ OC,Asus ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING Motherboard, Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 4 x 8GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 ,Hard Drives all SSD M2 type 1 Samsung 960 EVO 250 GB, 1 Samsung 960 EVO 500GB, 1 Samsung 850 EVO 500GB, 1 WD 256GB, G-Drive USB SCSI Storage external drive 5TB for File storage, Nvidia GeForce GTX 980, Sony PMW-EX1R, Sony PXW-Z150.Vistitle, Newblue Titler Pro 4 & 5, Neat Video, Proshow Producer 9, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Donovan P View Post
                Thanks but that is the version I'm using. The release notes do not mention the slow waveform creation problem I'm facing.
                Yeah, I was not sure, read it in a hurry going out for filming so possible some wish thinking.
                JoiCam´s
                Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
                2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
                3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
                4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
                Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
                Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
                And more

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                  can you disable as seen in attached and try again
                  https://www.videoproductions.com.au/...round-jobs.png
                  Waveform files generation keeps on taking an absurd lot of time before waveform graphics appear, independently from the checking or unchecking of that box. Thanks anyway antonsvideo.
                  ​​​​Perhaps, uninstalling v.9.52 could help but now for my job I must rely on the speed of v.9. Stable, quick and highly responsive.
                  ​​​

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Donovan P View Post
                    Waveform files generation keeps on taking an absurd lot of time before waveform graphics appear, independently from the checking or unchecking of that box. Thanks anyway antonsvideo.
                    ​​​​Perhaps, uninstalling v.9.52 could help but now for my job I must rely on the speed of v.9. Stable, quick and highly responsive.
                    ​​​
                    How were the clips added to bin? Source Browser? File Explorer?
                    What are your settings in User Settings/Application/Other?
                    Anton Strauss
                    Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                    EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post

                      How were the clips added to bin? Source Browser? File Explorer?
                      Source Browser, then simply Add to Bin. Settings as in the pics (Edius 10.00 and 9.52):
                      edius x user settings.jpg edius 9 user settings.jpg

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                      • #12
                        you mean Add and Transfer to Bin?

                        I would remove the tick from Create waveform when registering clips to bin because this causes lengthy waveform creation when transferring from memory card to PC via source browser

                        basically, EDIUS generates the waveforms by accessing the external memory cards prior to transferring the clips, and this is super slow, I reported this many times over the years

                        once you untick this option, file transfer starts right away and then when adding clips to timeline, the waveforms are created
                        Anton Strauss
                        Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                        EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                          you mean Add and Transfer to Bin?
                          No, a simple Add to Bin command.
                          It's useful to clarify that my workflow with XDCAM HD files has always been the following:
                          1) - creating an XDCAM folder on my SSD for every news gathering job (from 4 to 6 and sometimes more, every day);
                          2) - ingesting my footage to proper folders via Sony's Catalyst Browse software;
                          3) - soon after the quick ingest procedure from my SxS cards is done, starting Edius, finding the XDCAM folders into the Source Browser and adding my clips to a given folder previously created in my Bin.

                          I would remove the tick from Create waveform when registering clips to bin because this causes lengthy waveform creation when transferring from memory card to PC via source browser
                          As said, I do not use Edius for transferring.
                          I start Edius soon after my footage has been ingested to my laptop's SSD. In any case, when I need further clips to ingest I always do this via Catalyst Browse, then I refresh the Edius Source Browser folders to access the most recent clips.

                          basically, EDIUS generates the waveforms by accessing the external memory cards prior to transferring the clips, and this is super slow, I reported this many times over the years
                          I agree, that's one of the reasons why I always protect my supports from writing during transferring, even if I don't use Edius for this purpose.

                          once you untick this option, file transfer starts right away and then when adding clips to timeline, the waveforms are created
                          All correct, Anton, anyway my above mentioned workflow is the best possible for me because I need to ingest into separate, pre-created source folders to better manage a huge amount of different news jobs every week, and at the same time I need an immediate waveform graphics feedback so that I can start my editing building an accurate audio structure on which I'll gradually cut and refine the video section.
                          The issue I'm facing is the slowness of the waveform creation when compared to the identical workflow and settings using Edius 9.

                          Thank you for your support Anton, I'll keep on working with v.9.52 for now, but at a later time I'll surely make further tests with a clean installation of Edius X on a different hardware, It's worth investigating.

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                          • #14
                            I will do a comparison test to see how long 9 takes versus X

                            I have both on the same PC so it will be a fair comparison
                            Anton Strauss
                            Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                            EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                            • #15
                              I am interested in your news workflow in Italy. Do you save things to a large network shared drive or some kind of MAM or SAN so that others can work from the same files or do you keep your files locally in a computer and you are the only one that works on them?
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