CONCLUSION about NVIDIA 8800GT ???

[Romigo]

Please do a CONCLUSION for NVIDIA 8800GT!!! I have to decide soon

1. - Does the overlay work properly bouth in SD and HD ??? (with DVSTORM2 card)

2. - Do the native 3D efects (some also called XPLODE) that are build in Edius work O.K. ??? (not XPLODE PRO)

3. - Can I use TV output (SVHS or HDMI) to see the edited video on the second monitor or a TV set ???
(overlay - Theatre mode or Full screen overlay on TV...) ???

4. - Is it the best choice (if I get over the loss of XPLODE PRO) for now
or its better to get ATI
- 1950
- 2600XT
- HD 3850, HD 3870

5. - What more can I get if I buy FX1500 ??? What I lose if I dont?

[pjsssss]

I also see that Nvidia just came out with the 9800GX2. You might want to throw that in the mix also.

[majormauser]

Please do a CONCLUSION for NVIDIA 8800GT!!! I have to decide soon

1. - Does the overlay work properly bouth in SD and HD ??? (with DVSTORM2 card)

2. - Do the native 3D efects (some also called XPLODE) that are build in Edius work O.K. ??? (not XPLODE PRO)

3. - Can I use TV output (SVHS or HDMI) to see the edited video on the second monitor or a TV set ???
(overlay - Theatre mode or Full screen overlay on TV...) ???

4. - Is it the best choice (if I get over the loss of XPLODE PRO) for now
or its better to get ATI
- 1950
- 2600XT
- HD 3850, HD 3870

5. - What more can I get if I buy FX1500 ??? What I lose if I dont?

I am going to pop the 8800GT that I have into my system again soon to see if I can get it to work. So far I have not had much luck. My 2600Xt (with Xplode,Pro) works really good in SD. I don't work in HD.

[majormauser]

I also see that Nvidia just came out with the 9800GX2. You might want to throw that in the mix also.

You would have to bring that one up ;)

[AJL14]

The nVidia 8800GT did NOT work for me. See editor configuration below. I sent it back, and installed a Quadro 1500, which works great in SD and HD. The 8800GT is a "gamers" card, not a "videomakers" card.
Best of luck,
Alan

[STORMDAVE]

8800GT is a perfectly fine card, I think EDIUS should be made to work with it if it is having problems.

The 9800GX2 card is a dual GPU card, not for regular people in my opinion.

As an example, the 8800GT is in the new Mac Pro's, and it works perfectly fine with FCP, Cinema4D, After Effects, Premiere Pro. These are not really "gaming" boards.

[Romigo]

I think that every man sometimes feels like little boy and wants to play games for a while.
I also think that this card has became most popular and Edius should be compatible with it. Its the reason I started this topic.

[STORMDAVE]

What is the real problem you guys are having? No overlay with Direct3D9 overlay settings?

[majormauser]

8800GT is a perfectly fine card, I think EDIUS should be made to work with it if it is having problems.

The 9800GX2 card is a dual GPU card, not for regular people in my opinion.

As an example, the 8800GT is in the new Mac Pro's, and it works perfectly fine with FCP, Cinema4D, After Effects, Premiere Pro. These are not really "gaming" boards.

I really agree with this more should be done. Since its the card that works great with so many other programs that are used with Edius ..like

Boris RED
Vitascene

[Jerry]

I also see that Nvidia just came out with the 9800GX2. You might want to throw that in the mix also.

I looked at that one as well. It requires an 8 pin connector as opposed to the six pin pci-e connectors. Most of the companies do not include the adapter.
I did see that these same companies would prefer a direct connect as opposed to the adapter.
Based on this info, and cost at this time, I decided not to go that route with the rma I had to newegg for my 8800gts 512. I should have the replacement in a few days and will see how well this works for me.
Until then, I can only speculate.

[Bluetongue]

Just for the record on the 8800
If you edit in SD there will be little problems
BUT
There can be problems with other programs
Juicer - No Previews
Smartsound - Blackened out controls
Both are caused by a conflict with the nvidea drivers and Quicktime
To Overcome this go into Quicktime preferences and stop all Video acceleration, Set To "GUI Only"
For HD the card will not handle the Direct Draw overlay with CanopusHQ AVI, only Direct 3D, that in itself is not a problem in Edius, BUT
If you want to preview your video in Smartsound for mapping music it will not work as Smartsound uses Direct Draw, so mine was dumped
Regards Barry

[Bassman]

So is one safer with the use of an ATI card?

[Jerry]

Just for the record on the 8800
If you edit in SD there will be little problems
BUT
There can be problems with other programs
Juicer - No Previews
Smartsound - Blackened out controls
Both are caused by a conflict with the nvidea drivers and Quicktime
To Overcome this go into Quicktime preferences and stop all Video acceleration, Set To "GUI Only"
For HD the card will not handle the Direct Draw overlay with CanopusHQ AVI, only Direct 3D, that in itself is not a problem in Edius, BUT
If you want to preview your video in Smartsound for mapping music it will not work as Smartsound uses Direct Draw, so mine was dumped
Regards Barry

I said I would report back when I got my 8800gts 512 installed.
The second one was a charm as the first was defective.
I also have an ATI 2600XT(sapphire) that I also tested.
Both cards DO work in SD and HD on the Edius timeline.
I tested with cube spin in Xplode PRO and a series of ripples in Vitascene!

The ATI has an advantage in SD because the ATI renderer will work and render the effect in RT. Now, that also means that your video clip has to be DV, I did not try with an uncompressed SD file.
The 8800gts worked fine in SD as well. It played the effect through in realtime with the buffer filling as it went along. This is using the D3D renderer.
But that had to be rendered to remove the red line above the timeline.
I could not get the Nvidia renderer to work. If anyone can do that, please contact me so I can give it a try.

Let's move to HD.
Keep in mind that neither of these cards will do Xplode Pro in RT.

Once again the ATI has an advantage in Xplode Pro. It will not play the file in RT without buffer prefill and it takes less time to fill than the Nvidia Card did.
However, using Vitascene the 8800gts chomped through the ripples with less effort than the ATI. Both files had to be rendered to remove the red line above the timeline. The 8800gts played the 1 sec test in realtime. no buffer prefill.
Also keep in mind that Vitascene requires a 512mb card to be able to use the effects in a 1920x1080 timeline preset. You are fine if you are using 1440x1080 1.3 with a 256mb card. All of these tests were performed on a 1920x1080 timeline.

What this comes down to depends on the effects package that you are using.
If you only have or prefer Xplode Pro or Xplode for Edius, and you are doing only SD(dv) work, the ATI is your best bet. Plus, the card I picked up on newegg was $84.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102703

If you are using Vitascene for most of your effects, either card will work, with the edge going to the 8800gts.
The plus with the 8800gts is that it will work better in opengl than the ATI.
So if you use AE or Boris, and you don't want to spend the money on a Quadro, this would be a good alternative.

I did notice that I did not have an irq issue with this particular ATI card. I have had that with other ATI cards.
The other issue was on playback of Bluray material. Personally, I prefer a stand alone player, but if this is all you have you might be interested in this.
I have a 30" Cinema display and a 24" Gateway. Tests show the Gateway as HDCP capable and the Apple not.
The ATI would not play on each of my monitors.
The 8800gts played on each monitor.
These were BDROMS created by me.

My overall conclusion:
If you are strapped for cash, are still working in SD, and don't do any AE or Boris work, go with the Sapphire HD 2600XT. For $84 it is a great buy, and a good little card.

Even if you are doing HD and are curious how much you have to spend on a decent video card to work with Edius, well, here is your answer. You do not have to spend hundreds of dollars for a 'super' card. This little card will do a lot for you.
All of that said, I will be using the 8800gts 512. I do not use Xplode that much, and with the OpenGL function it is great. I DO notice a difference between this and my Quadro FX1500. I prefer the 8800gts. Besides, the Quadro would not work in Vitscene at my required resolution.

I have to say I was quite surprised with the ATI. I prefer Nvidia and for the price difference the ATI looked better and better. But for those that have asked if the 8800gts 512(G92) card will work with Edius, yes it will.
I hope this has helped a little. Sorry for the long post.

[majormauser]

I said I would report back when I got my 8800gts 512 installed.
DO work in SD and HD on the Edius timeline.
I tested with cube spin in Xplode PRO and a series of ripples in Vitascene!

Jerry,

The one problem I had was I could not use Xplode PRO at all with the 8800 Card. The effects that I used had rendering errors. Like 3D Globe that would not render.

[Jerry]

Jerry,

The one problem I had was I could not use Xplode PRO at all with the 8800 Card. The effects that I used had rendering errors. Like 3D Globe that would not render.

I just did the globe on a left to right path in 1920x1080 and after buffer prefill it played fine. Still has the red line above the timeline. Render looks good.