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    After completing a project in edius, I am using the included procoder for DVD output. Since upgrading to 4.6 I do not have the option of selecting bottom field for output. When using the drop down menu in advanced options, only upper field is available to choose. All other options seem to be there. I am seeing noticable flicker on burned DVD's with this setting. Any suggestions? Thanks. Joe

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    Try export to canopus HQ, then use procoder to do the dvd transcoding using upper field.
    It works

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    • #3
      So did somthing change in 4.6? We are getting ready to upgrade.
      Maybe we don't need to?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by tamaronvideo View Post
        After completing a project in edius, I am using the included procoder for DVD output. Since upgrading to 4.6 I do not have the option of selecting bottom field for output. When using the drop down menu in advanced options, only upper field is available to choose. All other options seem to be there. I am seeing noticable flicker on burned DVD's with this setting. Any suggestions? Thanks. Joe
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        • #5
          This change did bring up the bottom field first as an option. Thanks. Any idea as to why it is not there when using DVD elementary stream as an option? Is there any quality difference making the change? Thanks. Joe

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tamaronvideo View Post
            This change did bring up the bottom field first as an option. Thanks. Any idea as to why it is not there when using DVD elementary stream as an option? Is there any quality difference making the change? Thanks. Joe
            yes, it is incorrect to use lower field for DVD, this is why the option was disabled so users can't make a mistake

            check any Hollywood DVD, they are all upper field

            don't worry about the field order of the source, even if the source is lower, the destination can be upper and there will be no flicker
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            • #7
              Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
              yes, it is incorrect to use lower field for DVD, this is why the option was disabled so users can't make a mistake

              check any Hollywood DVD, they are all upper field

              don't worry about the field order of the source, even if the source is lower, the destination can be upper and there will be no flicker
              That is right.
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              • #8
                Thank you all. Joe

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                  yes, it is incorrect to use lower field for DVD, this is why the option was disabled so users can't make a mistake

                  check any Hollywood DVD, they are all upper field

                  don't worry about the field order of the source, even if the source is lower, the destination can be upper and there will be no flicker
                  What if you have been working entirely in 29.97 PROGRESSIVE? Is it ok to choose progressive output for DVD? Especially if you intend to display on a progressive device with progressive playback device? Or does the DVD spec demand it be encoded as interlaced?

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                  Tim
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                  • #10
                    the DVD spec says interlaced, however Blu Ray allows for progressive

                    progressive may work with standard DVD but I am almost sure it may produce some flickervision for the user?
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                    • #11
                      DVD supports 3:2 24p (23.976p) pulldown, but only on NTSC.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                        the DVD spec says interlaced, however Blu Ray allows for progressive

                        progressive may work with standard DVD but I am almost sure it may produce some flickervision for the user?
                        There's only one way to find out. :)

                        I'll let you know my results. I'll try it on a number of different displays as well.
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                        • #13
                          Anton:

                          You are unequivocally correct, sir. (As usual, lol.) Encoding as progressive does not appear to create flickering, however it creates a lot of "jaggies." Once things were encoded to upper-field first, everything looked as smooth as silk.

                          Seems a shame to take perfectly good progressive video (through-n-through), interlace it, send it through the DVD and de-interlace it ... but that's the way it goes. I suppose when the DVD spec was written, progressive displays were definitely not the norm. (I got my first DVD player in early 1997 and was amazed showing it on my 32" tube Triniton. My how things have changed.)

                          It certainly doesn't hurt to keep all of your video (or as much as possible) as progressive until the final encode though.
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