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  • Upgrade path for STORM users to NXe?

    As the owner of 2 storm 2's and the impending release later this year maybe early next year of Edius 5 and support for Storm possibly? NOT being included within the build? can we expect an upgrade offer for storm users to NXe?

    I think this would be a good move for Grass Valley and would also give Storm users a great way of getting into HD and staying with EDIUS............
    Asus P5K64WS, Intel Core 2 Quad QX6850 Extreme CPU, Saphire HD 3850 512mb graphics, WDraptor160 OS, Highpoint Rocket raid 2310 4 x 500gig Seagate sata 2 se drives in raid 0, NXe and Edius 5.51 Imaginate 2.
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  • #2
    It would be nice, but I think it would have happened already.

    Something I am coming to grips with is that HD is expensive.

    Once you can accept that, then you can make a decision wether or not you want to film in HD.

    Computers are so fast that the Storm is not needed for DV anymore, just the monitoring is. The same is almost true with the NX card. The monitoring is the most important aspect.

    Good luck with your decision.
    Asus Prime X299-A - Intel i9 7900x all cores @4.3GHz 2 cores @4.5GHz - 32GB RAM - NVidia GTX1070 - Edius 9 WG - BM Intensity 4k - Boris RED - Vitascene 2 - Windows 10

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    • #3
      Late last year you could trade in your Storm for NX (in australia) and get a free Pioneer Blu-ray burner. It was not well received. So there may be the odd person who this type of offer would suit but not really worth the marketing effort.

      Also, it's not really fair to ask Grass Valley to make an offer for loyalties. You pay for a product, you use a product, you buy a new one when it no longer fits your requirements, like cars.

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      • #4
        Do you have a pressing need to upgrade hardware now? If not, just wait... otherwise when the next major version comes, it might be time to upgrade hardware again because everything changes so quickly.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shueardm View Post
          Late last year you could trade in your Storm for NX (in australia) and get a free Pioneer Blu-ray burner. It was not well received. So there may be the odd person who this type of offer would suit but not really worth the marketing effort.

          Also, it's not really fair to ask Grass Valley to make an offer for loyalties. You pay for a product, you use a product, you buy a new one when it no longer fits your requirements, like cars.
          G'Day Mark
          You and I seem to agree on most things, but on this occasion.....It costs little and its called good marketing. I think that Europe would like to do something - lets face it its a bit like buying a printer you then buy more inks. Is it so bad to try to keep your loyal customers on board in the face of increasing competition? As a customer, it is not the money - that in the general scale of things is minimal, it's the ethos of being considered a valued customer, something I think the old Canopus lost sight of and which TGV may well have a better appetite for.

          David

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          • #6
            Hi David,

            Loyalty offers can and do happen from time to time- but it's usually a well thought out smoke screen. Canopus products have always been overpriced at the recommended retail price. They have historically allowed lots of room for promotions. So, if a <said> loyalty rebate were to happen it would usually be done by holding the price for another month or two <prior to> a scheduled price drop or something like that.

            I don't believe any company wants to (nor should they) sell a new model product to a customer with an old product at cost or near cost- to say thanks for the previous purchase.

            I'm not debating that it would look like a great thing to do and earn brownie points.
            Mark

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Imagine Video View Post
              As the owner of 2 storm 2's and the impending release later this year maybe early next year of Edius 5 and support for Storm possibly? NOT being included within the build? can we expect an upgrade offer for storm users to NXe?

              I think this would be a good move for Grass Valley and would also give Storm users a great way of getting into HD and staying with EDIUS............

              Join the club! I think when the NX was first released there was an upgrade path for the Storm. I never owned the Storm card but still have my Mega Rex hardware. I'm sure your card does more than it did the day that you bought it.

              It basically comes down to this: If you want to get into HD, you just have to bite the bullet and shell out the money.
              As technology changes so will the hardware. Now that GV owns Canopus, I would not expect major concessions on hardware because of the bottom line.

              As Brandon stated, if you do not have to upgrade right now, you may want to wait a little....especially until after NAB....for any developments. That is in April. Sometimes things are released just prior to or announced at NAB.
              Jerry
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              • #8
                All valid and balanced points of view!

                BUT

                Here in the UK The take up of HD is slow and the general public care very little about the lack of progress in this area Few people are even conserned if there wedding or event will be shot 16:9...............AFAIK there was NO upgrade offer in the UK and furthermore NO carrot dangled even with EDIUS.

                I have just bought my NXe and I have been shooting HDV for about 6 mths
                I am a very early adopter - although some have been here for a while.

                I am shooting domestic event stuff and as such I am very well equiped in comparison to many.

                The EDIUS user base would have more followers had they offered to registered Storm users a valid upgrade "DROP ADOBE" carrot

                However fair or unfair the expectation MANY are doing it!!

                I had FREE sony Vagas 7 with my Z1 and I almost went that way!! But I decided not to as I had bought EDIUS 1.5 and wanted to try it........

                Here I am and I think the take up of NXE would be accelerated with an upgrade path for Storm users! in the uk I dont know about the rest of the world...............

                Its a suggestion to broaden the user base and that cant be bad......as it will strengthen the company and so ensure EDIUS is developed in the future!

                Is'nt that what we want?
                Asus P5K64WS, Intel Core 2 Quad QX6850 Extreme CPU, Saphire HD 3850 512mb graphics, WDraptor160 OS, Highpoint Rocket raid 2310 4 x 500gig Seagate sata 2 se drives in raid 0, NXe and Edius 5.51 Imaginate 2.
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                • #9
                  I'm trying to remember the upgrade offer for Rex users, or the upgrade offer from Canon to move to their HD cameras. --------------- Drawing a blank there.

                  I do remember upgrade offers to move from one release of EDIUS to the next, offers that I was happy to take advantage of. Thanks Canopus/GV.
                  Fred D
                  Win 7 Pro-64 bit, EDIUS Workgroup 8.5, Intel Ivy Bridge i5, ASUS P8Z77-V-LK, 8GB Kningston DDR3, Pioneer BDR-209UBK, EVGA NVIDEA GEForce GT630, Corsair TX750M 750w Power Supply, 4 WD Black HDD for 3.15TB, ACEDVIO, Spark HD, eSATA controller, ANTEC 300 case.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fred Dwyer View Post
                    I'm trying to remember the upgrade offer for Rex users, or the upgrade offer from Canon to move to their HD cameras. --------------- Drawing a blank there.

                    I do remember upgrade offers to move from one release of EDIUS to the next, offers that I was happy to take advantage of. Thanks Canopus/GV.
                    There have been cross grade offers!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Imagine Video View Post
                      All valid and balanced points of view!

                      BUT



                      I have just bought my NXe and I have been shooting HDV for about 6 mths
                      I am a very early adopter - although some have been here for a while.



                      I had FREE sony Vagas 7 with my Z1 and I almost went that way!! But I decided not to as I had bought EDIUS 1.5 and wanted to try it........


                      Its a suggestion to broaden the user base and that cant be bad......as it will strengthen the company and so ensure EDIUS is developed in the future!
                      1. I would not consider yourself an early adopter. You may be in England, but the NX has been out since 2004. I would consider the early adopters the ones that bought the Z1's and FX1's when they were released and have sold them already for newer cameras.

                      2. Even with the free offers you went with Edius. So why offer a free upgrade for hardware?

                      3. I would have agreed with you if the company was still Canopus. However, Edius and all things Canopus, is owned by Grass Valley. This is a multi-national conglomerate that has bigger fish to fry than Edius users. Unless, of course, you are using Edius in a televised news situation.
                      What drives the further development of Edius and the hardware is not going to be determined by you or me or most of this board using the program. Advancements will come because the main customer, television stations, will be wanting certain improvements. Grass Valley did not by Canopus for the loyal user base. They bought it to make money! A lot of money. Shortly after purchasing Edius and releasing 4.5, NBC purchased hundreds of seats of Edius for news editing.
                      So any extra advancements that we get along the way will be gladly accepted.
                      Last edited by Jerry; 02-17-2008, 05:29 PM.
                      Jerry
                      Six Gill DV
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                      Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                      Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                      • #12
                        There was an upgrade path for storm users. Like two years ago! The NX is not a new piece of hardware. It was recently reduced in price along with the SP. They are twice the value now as when they first came out. The SP includes Edius 4.5 Broadcast! For around $2,000. That is a real bargain if you have a server board based system with 64bit PCI-X architecture. I seem to remember the NX being offered as a 64bit PCI-X baseboard (around $1800 or so, and the HD board was optional add on for another $700. This came with Edius Pro 3.** and also did not include the Firecoder hardware MPEG chip. Then to top it off in most cases early adopters even had to pay for the upgrade to Edius Pro 4. Todays Edius Express Bundle includes all the above along with Edius Pro 4.6. For under $1,500. I just can not see how anyone can complain that this is expensive.

                        While Edius is not compatible with other hardware, it is compatible with OHCI firewire. This is a huge advantage over the past ten years of products that where married to one specific piece of hardware. i.e. Rex Edit/RexRT, StormEdit/Storm 1, Storm 2. I would not expect Grass Valley to open up Edius to work with BlackMagicDesign, AJA etc. Unless they where charging a specific license fee for that particular board. They ARE very much in the hardware business and thus can certify and tweak performance to the high standard that they have for the past decade.

                        I have had dealerships for Pinnicle, Matrox, Avid, Media 100, DPS/Leitch/Harris and others. I may sound like a Canopus cheerleader here but I have been in this business since 1989. Ah, yes lets not forget the Amiga 2000, 3000 & 4000 with the Toaster. Then VideoVision from Radius. After 20 years of working with all these products Canopus is the one that came from no where and all laughed at RexEdit. Not me, it was the fastest most stable editor on the market. For this small company to grow at the rate it did among the giants in the industry. Thomson Grass Valley made an outstanding move by purchasing Canopus. The giants are not laughing now! I have not one customer that could say that there Canopus purchase was not an outstanding value.

                        If the NX Express bundle is to much money then my guess is that you are really not ready to be delivering HD material.

                        Pardon me for the long winded rant but I just had to get this off my chest. I am not looking for an arguement.
                        George Dame
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DigitalDave View Post
                          There have been cross grade offers!
                          Don't doubt your word, but also don't understand it. Do you mean a discount to move to EDIUS from a competitor's product?
                          Fred D
                          Win 7 Pro-64 bit, EDIUS Workgroup 8.5, Intel Ivy Bridge i5, ASUS P8Z77-V-LK, 8GB Kningston DDR3, Pioneer BDR-209UBK, EVGA NVIDEA GEForce GT630, Corsair TX750M 750w Power Supply, 4 WD Black HDD for 3.15TB, ACEDVIO, Spark HD, eSATA controller, ANTEC 300 case.

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                          • #14
                            I hope this is not turning into a thred where you may think I am dissatisfied with anything I'm not! Infact I am glad I made the move away from Premier pro and adobe.

                            I have NXe and have paid the price! Just 1 Job will pay for it so its hardly a major investment

                            However

                            I will say again an upgrade path NOW for exsisting Storm users would be a good move IMHO for GV. This is only my opinion and just a thought.

                            They dont have to do it, I mean who am I?

                            I am sorry if I have offended anyone with my suggestion.
                            Asus P5K64WS, Intel Core 2 Quad QX6850 Extreme CPU, Saphire HD 3850 512mb graphics, WDraptor160 OS, Highpoint Rocket raid 2310 4 x 500gig Seagate sata 2 se drives in raid 0, NXe and Edius 5.51 Imaginate 2.
                            Procoder 3.06 and various Prodad add-ons

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Imagine Video View Post
                              I am sorry if I have offended anyone with my suggestion.
                              Perish the thought Cathryn. Sensitive lot aren't we? My apologies also if my brief comment offended anyone. Guess we have been sensitized by posts which too often seem to express the idea that Canopus (or now GV) owed them upgrade perc's.
                              Fred D
                              Win 7 Pro-64 bit, EDIUS Workgroup 8.5, Intel Ivy Bridge i5, ASUS P8Z77-V-LK, 8GB Kningston DDR3, Pioneer BDR-209UBK, EVGA NVIDEA GEForce GT630, Corsair TX750M 750w Power Supply, 4 WD Black HDD for 3.15TB, ACEDVIO, Spark HD, eSATA controller, ANTEC 300 case.

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