New Computer - big problems - some help, please!

[Jerry]

Alan
As the above is the case you are lost for using HD as the 8800 will not support direct draw in HD
Regards Barry

However, the 8800GTS 512 will. This is a newer version of the 8800.

Also Alan, I do have the FX1500 and did replace it with the 8800gts 512. I usually edit in 1920x1080 projects. Vitascene will not do 1920x1080 effects without a card with 512mb or ram.
The 1700 does have some sort of memory leak, unless that has been fixed. Remember we are going to a new version of Edius soon and no telling what the effects package will require.
But if you are importing 1920x1080 into Edius, be prepared for GPU intensive packages to require more and more ram.
On the cheap side, I also have a Sapphire 2600xt 512 that I picked up for around $70 from Newegg. All SD effects are true RT with the blue line above the timeline.
As far as I know, nothing is doing RT in HD as of yet. Vitascene and Xplode are very responsive in both the 2600xt and the 8800gts 512. Just not RT. Will play through with buffer prefill though.

[AJL14]

Thanks, Jim. And I presume you are in "safe" area - and don't have a Storm card in your editor. Seems the way to go!

Appreciate your input VERY much.

Alan

[AJL14]

Top of the morning, George...
Even using the OHCI input - the video still "stutters" - so I'm getting down to what you guys said earlier - it's the bloody video card. One thing late last night (after you all were sleeping - hate it when something is bugging me and I can't sleep!). I changed the refresh rate of the screen to 75 hertz - and that took away nearly 98% of the stutter. Go figure ! ! ! ! Something in that card! Haven't even tried HD on it yet - but I'm not waiting. Have ordered the 1500.

Will keep you up-to-date on the "Mysteries of Alan" ....
Thanks,
Alan

[JimJulian]

Hey Alan,
HD from a Sony Z1 and HVX 200 work fine with my FX1500. No stuttering. I have Edius set to Direct 3d9.

[gdame]

Tough for me to answer that question because I have never used the 8800 series Nvidia cards. Nor have I ever seen this stuttering that you are talking about. Also, I have not used a Storm card in over two years, so my knowledge of using it with this newer generation hardware is non existant.

Question. Does your video stutter when you are in OHCI mode and bypassing the storm hardware?

In OHCI mode, connect a DV device to your computer fireport and use it as the converter to get an analog signal onto an external monitor/TV. Does this work smoothly? There will be a slight delay with the audio that is coming from your systems speakers, but the audio at the TV will be fine. Test this out.

[AJL14]

George & Jim,

Quick question. My board - the Asus P5K Deluxe, has a specification under "EDIUS Hardware Compatibilty", where GV says to set the Overlay to "Direct3D9", which uses (I believe) the GPU's power to do alot of the video quality and overlay (only in HD - since the Storm card handles it in SD. Does the nVidia Quadro FX 1500 hold up under this requirement - and will it handle the HD without "hiccups". I know the more expensive Quadro boards are used in the studios for video editing, and want to make sure this board will work with HD as well as SD (especially with the DVStorm2 card) and not give me the "stuttering" video I have constantly on my screen.

Thanks guys.
Alan

[JimJulian]

I also have a FX 1500 that has been problem free. Works fine with Edius and AfterEffects. Not a game card like the 8000 series.

[AJL14]

Will let you know when it's in!
Have a great weekend.
Alan

[gdame]

George - would you go for the 1500 rather than the newer 1700? I can get a PNY nVidia Quadro FX1700 512Mb GDDR2 PCI Express for $438 locally. But don't know if it's any better for us EDIUS folks than the 1500. Now, a COUPLE of bucks won't make much difference, and I don't want to be sorry again later.
Thanks again - we'll talk soon.
Alan

Alan I just built a system with the 1700. The difference is that the 1700 uses DDR2 SDRAM vs the 1500's GDDR3 RAM. Under 32 bit Windows I would prefer a 256MB card rather than a 512MB card due to the way memory gets appropriated. The 1700 also comes with a mini breakout box that provides composite, s-video & component video outputs as the second display. Like I mentioned earlier, I am not a fan of watching a computer monitor or the output from the graphics card for my entertainment. I like the 1500 over the 1700. IMHO of course.

[AJL14]

George - would you go for the 1500 rather than the newer 1700? I can get a PNY nVidia Quadro FX1700 512Mb GDDR2 PCI Express for $438 locally. But don't know if it's any better for us EDIUS folks than the 1500. Now, a COUPLE of bucks won't make much difference, and I don't want to be sorry again later.
Thanks again - we'll talk soon.
Alan

[gdame]

Alan, this is the best price for the quadro 1500. It's in CA as well!

http://www.atacom.com/program/atacom.cgi?KEYWORDS=VIDR_PNYX_15_2M&USER_ID=www&SEARCH=SEARCH_ALL&CODE=7438A0207

An Edius 4.5 Pro / NX Express Bundle can be had for just under $1400.

This would complete that system.

[Bluetongue]

Alan
If your old computer has a nvidea card place it in your new one to see what the difference is, the drivers are the same.
This is how I came to the conclusion the 8800 was to blame, I put my old 6600 back in and all worked beautifully but still had the problem of loosing overlay and was the reason for going "up" to the 8800, I have a cheap one available too.
I was rather reluctant to buy an earlier nvidea after that and as it turned out the local shops only had 8000 series cards or the ATI 2600 which was real cheap and has got me out of immediate trouble.
I have been reading a lot on the forum about the Quadra cards BUT being nvidea worries me a bit as the latest drivers for nvidea have problems with any program that uses Quicktime as a basis (Digital Juice and Smartsound) and am researching the ATI FireGL cards which have a rather impressive specification like the Quadra, but so did the 8800. Anyone had any experience with the FireGL they appear slightly cheaper than the equivalent Quadra, maybe that is an omen.
Regards Barry

[AJL14]

George, I do remember our conversation well. and I should have jumped on your bandwagon from the start. My mistake.

Please refresh my tormented memory, however, and give me an idea of two cards you would recommend the most - one of your best choice, and the other the least expensive that will work well. I just spend a bundle on the new machine - and it's NOT what I make a living doing, so I can keep it down to "reasonable" with no recoupmenet possible.

Many thanks for all your help. My boo boo!
Alan

[gdame]

Soooo, everyone. - "Anyone wish to buy a brand new (just out of the box) 8800 GT - cheap?".

At least I'll sleep tonight, being able to have zeroed in on the main problem.

Much thanks for the help, all. I'll research another card that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. If I can find one!

Alan

Alan, give up the one arm and a one leg and get yourself the quadro card like we had talked about. Then give up the other leg and get yourself an NX. Know you will have one arm left to operate the mouse so that you can enjoy editing! :)

Also, who cares about Blu-Ray playback on a computer monitor? It does not look nearly as good as a standalone player and a good HD-TV. Create on the computer and enjoy on the home theater.

Your system sounds good. Talk to again sometime!

[AJL14]

Soooo, everyone. - "Anyone wish to buy a brand new (just out of the box) 8800 GT - cheap?".

At least I'll sleep tonight, being able to have zeroed in on the main problem.

Much thanks for the help, all. I'll research another card that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. If I can find one!

Alan