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  • GIGABYTE GA-X38-DQ6 for HD editing ?

    Hi,

    My profession is software a developer. Video editing this is my long time hobby doing mainly family and community related work. I use Canopus stuff since quite a few years and I started from Raptor-RT + Premiere, gradually upgrading components here and there. In the past I was using a separate system for video editing due to the performance concerns, since some time however I prefer to have one computer and have everything in one place as performance has not been an issue since some time.

    The system I am currently happily using is as follows:

    ASUS P5V800-MX VIA chipset board
    Intel Dual Core 3.4 GHz CPU (Dual Core, not Core2Duo)
    2GB DDR RAM
    NVIDIA GeForce 6200 graphics board, with dual monitor output 1280x1024 res. 32 bit.
    IOGear USB GUC2015V video card for the third monitor 1280x1024, 32 bit res.
    Maxtor ATA system drive – 200GB
    Maxtor SATA 300GB and 500GB additional drives, no raid
    DV Storm hardware (recycled from e-bay) paired with Edius 4.5 and external TV monitor
    Gigabit Ethernet (Marvell based) in PCIx slot
    Firewire card in PCI slot

    The system works generally very well and gives me all I can imagine for SD editing. Even IOGear USB video card behaves surprisingly good, though I never use it for live video window. Edius can use it very well for clip library, controls etc.

    My main gripe with the board is that I am recently starting to run out of extra slots. Also – even though I do not own HD camera as of today – it is not hard to predict that migration toward HD is unavoidable in the near future. That is why I did some testing and my system – although excellent when it comes to SD editing – chocks with HD somewhere between one and two video streams with some color correction. That is why I am starting to think slowly about which steps should I take to gradually upgrade my computer as I have some spare components I could reuse, some extras and some features that I can live without for now, but being able to get there in the future.

    I was looking at the mainboards which provide more PCI and PCIx slots than mine does, that use DDR2 and support QuadCore CPU’s as the mainboard would be the first component to be replaced. I like ASUS P5K64WS since it has many PCIx 16 slots, but due to the use of DDR3 I do not consider it as viable option for me as of now. Out of the rest – X38 chipset – even though more expensive – seems to be more suitable for me as only this chipset is advertised as providing true support for more that one PCIx16 slot. I finally came to the conclusion that probably GIGABYTE GA-X38-DQ6 despite of it’s price would be the best option. Actually GA-X38-DS5 for less money would be even better as I do not need two Ethernet ports but that board does not seem to be sold (yet) in the US.

    I would expect that this GIGABYTE board would give me:

    1. Ability to install two dual output video cards (one NVIDIA 6200 from my current system, second identical one from spare) and get rid of IOGear USB video dongle. This should help with overall video performance and provide true support for up to four monitors.
    2. Enough slots to install DV Storm for now and Edius NX card(s) in the future
    3. On board support for gigabit Ethernet, Firewire and even more USB ports
    4. Allow me to reuse my dual core CPU for now and upgrade to QuadCore, possibly one of the coming 45nm Penryn’s, in the future
    5. Going from VIA chipset and DDR to Intel X38 with DDR2 should give me some degree of overall performance improvement without even upgrading the processor.
    6. Two on-board SATA controllers: I could use GIGABYTE on board SATA controller for system drive and ICH9R controller for RAID5 as ICH9R does not allow to configure individual SATA connectors as RAID- nonRAID
    7. There would still be room for HighPoint 2300 RAID if needed for any reason, or – another option would be to switch to PNY Quadro video boards (One PCIx16 one PCIx1, http://www2.pny.com/category_buymult...Category_ID=37 ) if needed and have second PCIx16 slot available for faster raid if necessary for any reason. By the way – I am not a gamer at all and prefer ‘quiet’, that is passively cooled video cards. Rarely using Explode transitions, mainly color correction, sharpness, softening etc. I do not see any reason to use top high end video cards here – am I wrong?


    Also, I have a few questions:

    Since I have not done any ‘real’ HD editing yet – I have one question regarding Edius NX card. From Canopus web-site I know, that the main NX card provides BNC HD output, while only the secondary card has component output. How can I use this BNC HD output? If I wanted to have realtime HD preview on HD monitor like I have SD preview right now with DV Storm – do I need component output and this additional card?

    How much of a real time HD can I expect from such upgraded system assuming that I installed in it today’s Core2Quad Q6600? Do you think I would be able to achieve – say – three video streams with some color correction in real time? I know that as of today Edius 4.5 does not make full use of Core2Quad processing power.

    My other question would be: does anyone have any experience with PNY Quadro video boards supporting two to four monitors?

    Again, I would like to be able to use this computer for software development (that is why I like the third monitor), but also to be able to edit HD with reasonable amount of ‘real-time’ in the future. I would appreciate if you shared your comments or suggestions.

    ZB
    ASRock Z68 Extreme4, Intel 2600K Sandy Bridge CPU, ASUS EN9600GT silent video card (NVIDIA), 16GB DDR3-1600 RAM, Windows 7 64 bit, Edius 6.06, HDSPARK, 3xDELL S2408W monitors, 4TB RAID 5 (Highpoint RocketRAID 2640x4), 6TB RAID 0 (Intel on-board controller), dedicated OS drive

  • #2
    Hi ZB,

    I agree that the P5K64 WS is an ideal mainboard and I do not understand why DDR3 is not a vaible option for you. If it is cost, well that becomes a very small factor after you add it all up.

    Check out these two threads and you should be able to get a good sense of the system recipe that I would recommend.

    http://ediusforum.grassvalley.com/fo...ead.php?t=4576

    http://ediusforum.grassvalley.com/fo...ead.php?t=4618

    Let us know what you decide to do.
    George Dame
    Grass Valley / Canopus System Integrator - Nearly 13 Years
    Providing Systems, Onsite Delivery, Support & Training Services Nationwide
    Get Your Copy of The Edius 6 Comprehensive Tutorial by contacting me via PM, email or phone
    Invite us to your local video association for a full demonstration!
    www.editHD.com - 1-877-ieditDV

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    • #3
      Hi ZB
      I use that board the GA X38T-DQ6 with Edius for HD work without an NX card (Software only) so I cannot comment on the compatibility.
      I did read one thing in your query, you did not wont to use DDR3, the GA X38T-DQ6 uses DDR3 ONLY, don,t worry I got trapped too and had to console my self with 2GB of memory as the 4 gig sticks are not available here in Australia yet but it works a dream, render times are close to half from my old dual core XP4600.
      If you are using it as stand alone one thing to improve the performance is to place the Swap file (Page file) onto one of the raid disks otherwise there will be some video and audio stuttering on playback (very minor and random), must be some sort of holdup in the disk access in the chipset?
      I have selected field update for Edius on playback and use the full left monitor for video playback in single mode.
      As i edit in around 7 min sequences at the completion of each sequence it is output in HDV to a DVICO TVIx HD player and check for anything I cannot see on the Left Hand monitor. The system works well and has no compatibility problems
      Regards Barry
      Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
      GB GA-X58A-UD3R MB, i7 [email protected], 12G 1600mhz Mem, Samsung EVO-250G SSD, 3x2T RAID, GTX 970W OC, 2x24 inch LG Monitors
      Canon XH-A1/ Canon HF-G30, GoPro Hero3 Black, Edit @1920 50p HQ preset

      https://vimeo.com/user2157719/videos
      Laptop ASUS G752VT-GC060T Win 10HP, Edius WG8.53 Samsung M2 SSD 256G+1Tb HD,

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      • #4
        Gdame,

        Thank you for your response. My thinking of GA-X38-DQ6 was because of the following reasons:

        1. It is the board, which allows me to ‘grow into’. As I mentioned – as of today I do not own neither HD camera nor Edius NX board. I anticipate I will get those at some point in the future, but as of now I do not exactly know when. But I do have a need to upgrade my mobo at this time and I would like this mobo to be reasonably compatible with future HD and Edius NX.
        2. GA-X38-DQ6 allows me to reuse the two dual video boards that I have through two PCIx16 slots.
        3. It provides two PCIx16 slots for a future upgrade for Edius NX.
        4. I still have one more PCIx1 slot available for any needs that may arise. Like for example HighPoint 2300 RAID controller. As I understand 2300 is like 2310 except it has x1 PCIx interface instead PCIx4, which may not have so much room for breathing as 2310, but in theory should still suffice.
        5. Without even needing HighPoint that board gives me reasonable solution for RAID system right out of the box. By a reasonable RAID system I mean decent RAID 0, 1 or – most likely – 5 through ICH9R and still a way to boot system from SATA drive without a pain of having system drive on a RAID. That is why I think having two extra SATA connectors through Gigabyte controller is still worth the extra money over a cheaper GA-X38-DS4. Not having an extra SATA controller besides ICH9R would require either to resort to have system drive attached through IDE interface or to have additional SATA ports connected via PCIx1 card. DQ6 saves that PCIx1 slot. What it comes down to is that for start I would just have a spare PCIx1 slot for yet unforeseen needs, which is always nice.
        6. It can be stuffed with inexpensive RAM.
        7. For now, that is for as long as I use DVStorm I have PCI slot for it plus one extra PCI slot, which I may use for whatever I want (like I said – having a room to grow is always nice).
        8. Allows me to re-use my Dual Core CPU for now and upgrade to the newest and greatest when I need and when (meanwhile) the price goes down.

        Overall – my thinking was that for some $300 today I may gain the following as comparing to my current system:

        1. Ability to install two ‘real’ dual video cards for up to four monitors.
        2. Decent RAID (5) for my general needs (currently I do not have any)
        3. Some better overall system performance due to the better chipset and faster memory.
        4. More expansion slots, USB ports etc.
        5. Reasonable path to gradually upgrade in the future.

        ASUS P5K64WS has one biggest advantage over Gigabyte: It has been tested by you and confirmed that everything works very well in a configuration that is best suited for video editing as of today. For me however it also has some shortcomings and these are:

        1. While it provides four PCIx16 slots, which is great – there are only four of these slots. Assuming that I would want to use two of these for video cards – that leaves me with two others, that may be needed for Edius NX cards. No extra room left. And the problem is that this board’s only SATA controller is via ICH9R, which I do not know well, but what I know this chip does not allow programming of individual ports. It is even entirely RAID or no RAID. That is why if I want to have – say RAID 5 for my data/ video drives I can not have non-RAID system drive and I have to either use IDE or have additional SATA controller installed. But I do not have PCIx slots anymore and I would need to use one of the PCI slots where -–for now – I would like to have DVStorm and – possibly – something else. Well, not necessarily, but the room is tight.
        2. Like you mentioned – price of DDR3 as of today is high and while I admit this may be a small fraction of overall cost – I have feeling that spending another $300 on DDR3 today is in my situation kind of a waste. I do not know, I think I am simply looking for alternatives since – like I said – I do not make money on video editing.

        Another way to go would be to use one of the PNY video boards, e.g. VNS 440 providing four monitor support out of just one card (read PCIx slot). I would expect that this card – although not great for gaming and not exactly a bargain – would be sufficient for video editing. But I found a post on NEWEGG.COM that someone had problem with WinDVD nad Nero’s DVD player and chipset compatibility rather than performance was the culprit. That is why my question if someone have tried these cards with Edius?

        Another question of mine was about BNC HD output provided by main NX card. Do I really need secondary board with component output or that BNC output would be sufficient for non-professional needs?

        Thanks again for your answers,
        ZB
        ASRock Z68 Extreme4, Intel 2600K Sandy Bridge CPU, ASUS EN9600GT silent video card (NVIDIA), 16GB DDR3-1600 RAM, Windows 7 64 bit, Edius 6.06, HDSPARK, 3xDELL S2408W monitors, 4TB RAID 5 (Highpoint RocketRAID 2640x4), 6TB RAID 0 (Intel on-board controller), dedicated OS drive

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        • #5
          Hello Bluetongue,

          What you are saying is encouraging. Thank you for your suggestion regarding swap file. I studied Gigabyte web-site for a while and came to the conclusion that there are two flavors of GA-X38-DQ6. These are: GA-X38-DQ6 and GA-X38T-DQ6. X38 seems to be using DDR2 while X38T that you have uses DDR3. DDR3 is expected to be faster, but you have to shell out more $$$. Thanks for the warning.

          Best regards,
          ZB

          PS: I always wanted to visit Australia :) Sounds so nice :))
          ASRock Z68 Extreme4, Intel 2600K Sandy Bridge CPU, ASUS EN9600GT silent video card (NVIDIA), 16GB DDR3-1600 RAM, Windows 7 64 bit, Edius 6.06, HDSPARK, 3xDELL S2408W monitors, 4TB RAID 5 (Highpoint RocketRAID 2640x4), 6TB RAID 0 (Intel on-board controller), dedicated OS drive

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          • #6
            Is GIGABYTE GA-X38-DQ6 going well with STORM card ???

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            • #7
              Romigo, I do not know. I see no reason for it not to work, however I do not own that mobo as of today. I am considering it and wondering - like you - if there may be any problem or cavity with my thinking,
              ZB
              ASRock Z68 Extreme4, Intel 2600K Sandy Bridge CPU, ASUS EN9600GT silent video card (NVIDIA), 16GB DDR3-1600 RAM, Windows 7 64 bit, Edius 6.06, HDSPARK, 3xDELL S2408W monitors, 4TB RAID 5 (Highpoint RocketRAID 2640x4), 6TB RAID 0 (Intel on-board controller), dedicated OS drive

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              • #8
                ZB,

                I hear what your saying and since you you have neither an NX board or an HD camcorder, then I would build yourself a system that suits your needs. My policy is that you build a computer for what you need it to do at the time you build it. Building a system over time with future compatibility requirments is almost always a mistake unless you have a defined roadmap of completing the system within 3 to 6 months.

                BTW, what are you using this system for?
                George Dame
                Grass Valley / Canopus System Integrator - Nearly 13 Years
                Providing Systems, Onsite Delivery, Support & Training Services Nationwide
                Get Your Copy of The Edius 6 Comprehensive Tutorial by contacting me via PM, email or phone
                Invite us to your local video association for a full demonstration!
                www.editHD.com - 1-877-ieditDV

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                • #9
                  Check Angelo's system specs...he seems to be using a DVStorm with that mobo. I don't see how you would have problems with the NX if you ever need to upgrade from the DVStorm to the NX...

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                  • #10
                    I agree with George. Build for your needs today only. Next week there will be something better at half the price!!!!! IF you don't need anything new today don't buy anything!!!! I would also recommend a system just for email and the WEB at least that will contain any viruses etc to one machine that can be cleaned and reloaded with little consequence. I keep my oldest, slowest machine for this purpose all the others have no virus protection etc and only go to the WEB for program updates through a hardware router.

                    Ron Evans
                    Ron Evans

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                    ASUS PB328 monitor, BenQ BL2711U 4K preview monitor, EDIUS X, 9.5 WG, Vegas 18, Resolve Studio 17


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