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  • #16
    Andrew,

    Look at my signature ... I am referring to that Panasonic - 17" LCD - Broadcast monitor. Using component out from NX card. That's what you should be looking at if you want to do colour correction, grading, etc ... You can't use a computer monitor for that - the colour space is totally different. Video is YUK whereas Computer is RGB.
    TingSern
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    Edius 9.4 Pro, Lenovo P72 workstation laptop, 64GB RAM, Xeon CPU, Windows 10 Pro (64 bits), 2 x 2TB Samsung M2.NVME and 1 x 4TB Samsung SSD internal. Panasonic UX180 camera, Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema, Blackmagic Pocket Cinema

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    • #17
      Ting I hope you mean YUV :)

      It's all about the processor inside the LCD...the panels are identical, except that in higher end "broadcast" LCD's they use much much better panels...not sure it justifies to buy a $20,000 LCD, but I am sure even a properly calibrated LCD will yield good results. A DVI or HDMI-to-DVI connection will yield good quality video when you use a native 1900x1200 (24" LCD). Or better yet, if your LCD has HD component in, you can use that instead.

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      • #18
        Storm,

        Ooops ... that was a finger slip :-). YUV is right. Of course, one can go up the price ladder with better processors, better LCD screens, etc ... but, we are not arguing about that.

        I am saying getting to those people - get yourself a real Broadcast monitor if you really want to see what colours your video is throwing out at you. Not a Computer monitor.
        TingSern
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        Edius 9.4 Pro, Lenovo P72 workstation laptop, 64GB RAM, Xeon CPU, Windows 10 Pro (64 bits), 2 x 2TB Samsung M2.NVME and 1 x 4TB Samsung SSD internal. Panasonic UX180 camera, Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema, Blackmagic Pocket Cinema

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        • #19
          Yes, it's all about the processing. Video-oriented displays "know" the response of the panel (and its backlight), so it "knows" how to drive the display to get a particular color displayed.

          It's similar to how LUTs are used in the digital cinema world.

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          • #20
            The world is changing, check this out:

            http://www.cine-tal.com (A lookup table on the spot)

            I am waiting for the prices on the XBR Bravia's to drop so I can grab one, calibrate the colors, and use it as a preview monitor. I'll still keep my Sony PVM monitor and use it to check the color via an SD project.

            The expensive monitors have HD-SDI, so this is one of the other reasons why their prices are so high. The HD-SDI processors are very expensive as well, probably add $1,000-$2,000 to the cost of the display alone.

            I think a good professional LCD in the price range of $3,000-6,000 is worth it if you really do require to be broadcast safe. True 1080p investment is a huge plus as well.

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            • #21
              Team
              Going back to reasons for full screen preview from the timeline. I would use it frequently to preview to potential customers.
              I make 'day movies' on dive boats and I'm not the only one.
              My day involves shooting on a dive boat and underwater, cutting the footage together and showing a 20 minute creation to the divers on the dive boat during the cruise back to land.
              Some of the smaller boats I work on do not have a reasonable place to store a TV so viewing the day's movie will be done on my laptop. To do this I have to render the movie out first so it can be played back 'full screen'. Since time is my 'enemy' every day, full screen playback from the timeline would be an asset.
              Broadcast quality previewing is not a discussion point in my circumstances. My potential customers are more interested in seeing themselves, the marine life and getting a good impression of their day out.
              After all the footage ends up on a DVD.

              Full screen preview from the timeline in my opinion is a feature for expidiency not quality...

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              • #22
                Simon,

                If you want to do that, a quick and simple solution will be -

                a) switch EDIUS to ONE monitor mode (instead of two),

                b) enlarge that monitor to as big as your screen can support - no "A" or "V" tracks - just one "VA" track.

                Doable?
                TingSern
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                Edius 9.4 Pro, Lenovo P72 workstation laptop, 64GB RAM, Xeon CPU, Windows 10 Pro (64 bits), 2 x 2TB Samsung M2.NVME and 1 x 4TB Samsung SSD internal. Panasonic UX180 camera, Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema, Blackmagic Pocket Cinema

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                • #23
                  Save that layout too (call it something like "Large Monitor for Preview")

                  Then you can switch between layouts when doing a preview.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by SRsupport View Post
                    I really don't get what people do with that so called 1:1 preview on a pc monitor?
                    I like my preview's crisp in true color space on a broadcast grade monitor.
                    I know of a system by a well known 'broadcast' video company that does not have ANY option for previewing outside of the computer monitor. What was that company? Oh yeah, GRASS VALLEY.

                    Admittedly, the name of the program is NewsEdit but why include color correction features if you can't preview on a real video monitor? (I'm bitter about my companies choice of NewsEdit for a variety of reasons but that's high up on the list.)

                    OTOH, I've heard of plenty of people using Dell computer monitors as video monitors. I have no idea how good they are at it though...
                    Andy Tejral
                    Brooklyn, NY

                    HP Z230 xeon E3-1230v3 3.3Ghz, Quadro K600, now with Kingston SV300S3 boot drive, internal ST3000DM (3TB) and external Seagate Expansion 5TB via usb3. Edius 7.52.12 w HD Spark

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by tingsern View Post
                      Storm,

                      Ooops ... that was a finger slip :-). YUV is right. Of course, one can go up the price ladder with better processors, better LCD screens, etc ... but, we are not arguing about that.

                      I am saying getting to those people - get yourself a real Broadcast monitor if you really want to see what colours your video is throwing out at you. Not a Computer monitor.
                      I have a sony broadcast monitor when I do SD, but I use a Dell 2405 (calibrated) for HD editing and it is very accurated, when watching material on my 61 inch 1080p LCOS ( also well calibrated), everything looks just like the way it looks on the Dell. But then if money is not a concern, I would love to have those professional lcd. (-:
                      I7-6900K, X99 Taichi, Geforce GTX 1070, Corsair RM850X, Corsair H100 IV2, Windows 10, Edius WG 9.30

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                      • #26
                        @SimonD:
                        If your laptop has a VGA or DVI output, just get another LCD display (I'd mount it where the customers can see it), hook it up to your laptop, and have the laptop's graphics hardware duplicate the overlay full-screen to the output. Then you can play your project full-screen (on the other monitor) directly from the EDIUS timeline.

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