nVidia 8800 GT compatibility question ??

[AJL14]

Happy Sunday all,
Well it does seem as though there are different sets of opinions on the 8800GT video board. Mike0130 has good results with perfect overlay, Barry had enough problems to cause him to abandon the 8800 in favor of his ATI 2600 Pro, and PaulTV downloaded new drivers which cured the ills with his board. Typical electronic voodoo's! Soooo.. since I'm ordering all the components for our new editor tomorrow, I thought I'd inquire one last time to get any other opinions from you guys who are using the nVidia 8800 GT. Any further information would be much appreciate from anyone. Looks like a great board, but just like the KIA, looks may be deceiving!
Have a great remainder of the weekend all!
Alan

PS. Building with Asus P5K Delux, QX9650 Quad 3.0gig, 4 Gigs 8500 Corsair, New LG BluRay, 1000W Antec PS.

[swsw1550]

Video Cards

Hi,
Just reading the thread on the cards and found it quite interesting, I use to use all the high end cards then changed over to the Quadro FX cards as they have full 4 point floating processors on them, I started with a quadro FX 4500 and now use the New Quadro FX 5600 card from NVidia, if you want speed and a Reliable card go for these ( they are very dear though ) One last thing the cards are not designed for gaming they are for editing, 3D, CAD, ect type of work. The Quadro cards run a complete different Architecture,
all the 6200,6500, 7950, 8800, 8200, ect ect ect are for gamers only.
Great if you want to play games all day...

Cheers
Steve

[Bluetongue]

Thanks for that Steve that is just what I am looking for, it is a pity this sort of info is not available on the manufacturers sites.
This forum has to be the greatest concentration of information and help I have ever come across.
One other observation, now with the ATI card Direct Draw now give me the greatest Real time not Direct 3D9 and it handles more filters.
CPU usage has dropped from 20-25% on normal play and one or two filters to 11-15%, interesting, ATI must have a more efficient architecture
Regards Barry

[swsw1550]

Quadro FX

No Problems Barry, I hope this did help you a bit, I didn't get to technical as you can read about them on the net, I will say though that you can pick up a Quadro FX 4500 which is still classed as a very high end card from Nvidia on EBay at a great price, these are new of course, anyway let me know how you go.

Cheers
Steve

[AJL14]

Hey Barry and Steve,

What a bundle of info from you two, and I (as well as probably a lot of others) owe you for sharing such valuable info. As you observed, it would be nice to have this sort of info available to all on the forum, but thanks to you two - and again others as well - your personal expertise is invaluable. The value of these forums is immeasureable, and the sharing of info a learning process for us all. I can see where you're coming from, and definitely won't disagree with your observation - yet the price of the FX 5600 and 4500 are well beyond the reach of most of the video folks out there. I think most of us are trying to keep the boards in the $200-$350 price range for reasonable performance. Rolls Royce's are nice. But a Prius will also get us there, as long as they keep rolling the tires along the pavement rather smoothly! But you guys are the best. Thanks again!

Cheers to you both.
Alan

[swsw1550]

Quadro FX Cards

Hi Alan,
you have just got to remember that these cards are very dear, Also a bit more info for you these cards are used by most of the 3D animation studios around the world for rendering out, this is because of the speed of them and the 4 point floating processors that they use, plus the architecture
of the cards. ( BUT REMEMBER THEY ARE NOT GAMING CARDS ) they look the same, follow this link for more info on them http://www.nvidia.com/page/qfx_uhe.html

Cheers
Steve

[Bluetongue]

Alan
The price of the Quatro cards kept me away the top enders too and I did not look too carefully at them, around $4-5000AUD about the same as price as I paid for my latest foray into folly, but having taken Steves advice I have been doing some more investigating and the Quatro FX1700, the bottom of the Mid Range boards is the same price as an 8000 GTS $800 AUD so may be worth looking at in the future.
Having already poured around $1200 AUD chasing this problem and my system is now working really well with stable and clean overlay with the ATI card it will be a while before I pick up enough courage to go any further but it will be at the top of the list for the next foray into madness.
Regards Barry

[swsw1550]

Just got your replys on the Quadro Cards

Guys,
check out EBay, I bought mine there and had no problems, I would go for a Quadro FX 4500 with 512 DDR3 Ram, these cards fly, I just had a look on EBay for you's and their is a couple of great buys on there at the moment, around $800 to $1200 is what I would pay for one, believe me you will not regret buying one of these cards, best investment you will ever make on a card.

Good luck
Steve

[pjsssss]

The question here Steve is will a video card in that price range give better performance than the $200-300 cards? Historically Edius has not benefitted much from higher end cards.

[swsw1550]

Yes it will

Of course it will, As I mentioned the Quadro cards have a full 4 point floating processor compared to gaming cards, Just check out reviews on the net, Aslo Pro Dad highly recommend these cards as well, The architecture of these cards are designed for Editing and CAD work, This is why all hollywood
3D Animation studios use them, for the speed...
This is a bit about them......
It is also important that the latest professional graphics card generation support GenLock and FrameLock technologies. The first one serves to synchronize the signal generated by the graphics card with the external source, which is used a lot in video transmitting applications. The second one implements cluster visualization principles and allows independently synchronizing the channels from numerous workstations and creating a large virtual display managed by the numerous systems cluster for the sake of higher performance.

Also
SANTA CLARA, CA—OCTOBER 30, 2007—Broadcast, video and film professionals engaged in editing, compositing, and color grading can now benefit from the advanced features of new NVIDIA Quadro® FX 5600 SDI and Quadro™ FX 4600 SDI graphics cards. These next-generation graphics-to-video-out solutions from NVIDIA, which allow real-time rendering to become an integral part of the production work flow, feature 8-, 10- and 12-bit uncompressed SDI output in SD, HD, or 2K formats, Genlock support, improved 2D video compositing capabilities, 3D graphics and graphics processing unit (GPU) programmability, and more.

In Short I have used 8800GTX, 7950, 6800, ect ect and in my opion the Quadro's beet gaming cards hands down for rendering, and visual effects ect.

Cheers
Steve

[Vaughan Wood]

After reading all this I've taken the plunge and ordered an FX 4500 from the U.S.

Let's hope it helps the Vitascene holdups!

Cheers Vaughan

[pjsssss]

I understand that they might be faster for render intense operations. However most Edius editing is not render intensive. In fact that is what I try to stay away from. So in that context is there any benefit that you have from personal experience?

I would never buy something based on their acvertising hype. :-)

[mike0130]

Again guys, 8800 GT is a unbelievebly great card, for extencive 3D rendering Quadra is better, but in real world most of us do not have to spent thousands for Quadra. 8800GT ($250 approx.) will satisfy all your needs in Edius, Boris, AE, Vitascene etc. The only problem is with Xplode, that wouldn't run in realtime on non-ATI cards... For some reasons GV refused to help customers with this small issue, saying that they are not supported Xplode any more, even most of us wanted something to be done about this great package...
Anyway, 8800GT is great, it has future with Vista and I am happy with it.
Nice day
mike

[kukun]

Hi, Mike0130
This question is for Mike0130.
I hve the system like yours , but the Video card is ATI 1950PRO and It's not
working with Xplode Pro. (When I apply special effect on timeline I saw green color on monitor)Everything else is fine.
Is the 8800 GT Video Card working with the Xplode Pro?
Thnk you

[gdame]

Hi, Mike0130
This question is for Mike0130.
I hve the system like yours , but the Video card is ATI 1950PRO and It's not
working with Xplode Pro. (When I apply special effect on timeline I saw green color on monitor)Everything else is fine.
Is the 8800 GT Video Card working with the Xplode Pro?
Thnk you

Hi Kukun, I am not mike0130, but I just want to ask. Have you tried different drivers? Sometimes old drivers work out better than the latest. Also, the 3D settings and antiscopic settings need to be tweaked. And one more thing is the Xplode config setup, specifically the 3D Setting. Lastly, the refresh rate that you have chosen in relation to these settings can make or break certain problems.

Maybe an ATI guru is hear to chime in.