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    As you all know On2 is a company that made the On2Vp6 codec that macromedia (Adobe) uses for it's FLV Flash clips.

    Well they also made a Vp7 version and due to a few reasons it was not used as a flv codec mainly because it took more hp to run.

    Well that may change in the future with flv but in the meantime I encoded out a 1280/720 HD clip from an EDIUS timeline @ 1500kbps and boy am I impressed.

    Here is the link to the 60 meg, 5 minute clip that I embedded into a web page. Windows Media player will play it and if you double click it will go full screen. @1500kbps it should stream in real time for most broadband users.

    http://www.hdvunderwater.com/On2Vp7%20HD.html

    You need to go to On2 site to download the free Vp7 player& encoder to watch. http://www.on2.com/index.php?496

    If you are using EDIUS you can go here to see how I did it.
    http://www.hdvunderwater.com/On2vp7.html

    H.264 eat your heart out.
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  • #2
    That does look very impressive. What kind of encode times did you have?

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    • #3
      It all depends on what setting you have it on.
      That was on best setting and I set it going on the clip and went to bed.
      Have to do some time measures.

      I have used, wmv, QT H.264, Divx, Xvid, flv, mpegs and they do not come out like this at 1280/720 @ 1500kbps thats for sure.

      Here is the whole 60 meg file if you want to download it.
      www.hdvunderwater.com/vp7/VP7HDlong.avi
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      • #4
        Good onya Paul - beautiful shots! Well done! I've printed out your terrific step by step instructions (thanks) and I'm going to try this in Edius 4.54 so to get On2 into Edius do I have to buy it on line? (I presume the free download is only for viewing?).
        I know it's only 8.15 am over there in Perth so when you've had brekkie you might let me know. Meantime, Happy Australia Day for tomorrow mate.
        Kind regards,
        Don

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        • #5
          That does look like very nice compression. I'm going to have to try that out.

          I've been achieving very good results of late using h264 compression. I managed a 6 minute file at 720p to come in at just under 50 megs using multipass encoding, a 1050 bit rate, and mp4 audio. The results are very good. Close to what you are showing, though my footage isn't very demanding of bits on this particular clip. I had a 50 meg file size limit, so the goal was to get good 720p at under 50 megs. At 1050kbps with the compression settings I used for my h264 (required format) I would say the results were comparable to yours, but your footage definitely looks a bit more crisp overall probably, and is definitely more demanding of bits than my footage, so it looks quite promising what you've posted. I would imagine 1500 @ 5 with the h264's I've been doing might be approaching that.

          Anyways, these days it's getting quite possible to get real nice compression in manageable file sizes and your clip certainly demonstrates that. Thanks for sharing the workflow.

          Later,
          Jason
          HVX/P2/DVCPRO HD. EDIUS Broadcast 4.54

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          • #6
            Cheers guys
            All you have to do is go to http://www.on2.com/index.php?496 and download the free Personal Edition Vp7 and install it. That installs the codec on your computer so WMP and the likes can play the files.

            Then export from EDIUS/ Procoder Express and or use Procoder Express itself and you will find the Vp7 encoder, just like in my step by step post.

            Jason H.264 is very good and is better that Divx, Xvid wmv flv but this VP7 has got me. My HDV underwater footage really tests out the codecs hence why I dumped Prem Pro and Aspect HD and went with EDIUS & Canopus HQ.

            Macromedia (adobe) has a license to use this Vp7 in their Flash videos but decided to use the Vp6 as it was not as CPU intense I suppose as VP7 but now days the computers have plenty power and they may include this Vp7 as their next compression codec for FLASH.
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            • #7
              Something like AVC-Intra :-)))???

              Good stuff - will go home and test this out then.
              TingSern
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              • #8
                Hi,

                I have a client demending FLV-files. In this serie of videos I will use VP7 as well.
                Does it make sense? VP6 is much spreaded, isn´t it? He will upload the videos on a this like You Tube. Will be the visitors of the site able to play the videos?

                Do you have a good preset for Procoder3? What kind of settings are the best, if you have a limit of

                "4:3"
                900Kbits (360 x 270)
                1800Kbits (480 x 360)

                "16:9"
                900Kbits (480 x 270)
                1800Kbits (640 x 360)

                Thank you for your help.

                With kind regards,

                Istvan

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                • #9
                  The Vp6 codec is used in FLASH so everyone can play it with their FLASH player.

                  Vp7 is a better codec for sure but in order to play it one has to install the codec.

                  It's free and easy to do though.
                  http://www.on2.com/index.php?496
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                  • #10
                    Istvan,

                    Quote-
                    I have a client demending FLV-files. In this serie of videos I will use VP7 as well.
                    Does it make sense? VP6 is much spreaded, isn´t it? He will upload the videos on a this like You Tube. Will be the visitors of the site able to play the videos?
                    Unquote

                    You Tube is not using FLASH ... They prefer MP4 codec. I am not even sure if you can upload a Flash video into You Tube.
                    TingSern
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                    • #11
                      yes, i am quite sure you can upload flv to youtube.

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                      • #12
                        I downloaded and installed the codec into my workstation. I used ProCoder 3 - but, under which target preset is the codec found?
                        TingSern
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                        • #13
                          Send it out as an AVI and under types look for the VP7 codec.

                          Here is how you do it with Procoder Express from the timeline.
                          http://www.hdvunderwater.com/On2vp7.html

                          I don't know if Youtube knows that codec yet.
                          Give it a try.

                          When I load up a vp7 clip to my youtube like underwater site, the server encoder does not make a thumbnail but the video appears.
                          www.hdvundersea.com
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                          www.flykam.com.au www.wagscapes.com.au

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                          • #14
                            YouTube is Flash7 only!

                            If you feed them Flash8 or higher you get no video posted. (I tried!)
                            Rusty Rogers | Films
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rusty View Post
                              YouTube is Flash7 only!

                              If you feed them Flash8 or higher you get no video posted. (I tried!)
                              youtube is not just flash7 but they live in the past century

                              1. they believe that the whole world uses 4:3 aspect

                              2. they have no idea of what they need uploaded to them, they say 320x240 or 640x480, but they are totally confused in the way they explain the requirements

                              if anyone can translate their ideal for best quality requirements into plain English, I will take my hat off to you

                              worst of all, millions watch youtube and think its great, and I want to vomit when I see the quality, am I too demanding?
                              Anton Strauss
                              Antons Video Productions - Sydney

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