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  • #31
    And ... along the way, you learn something new as well, right?
    TingSern
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    • #32
      Any good place to read a review comparing the Panasonic and Sony solid state cameras.
      Interested in the long form, one hour non stop, event recording compairison.

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      • #33
        One hour is nothing for either camera.

        The Sony certainly has an edge in terms of storage requirements because it uses a lower bitrate, allowing you to get by with smaller capacity cards and making backing up less of an issue. You could back up the entire one-hour event on a single Blu-Ray disk, for instance.

        But the nature of the event could also influence your choice. As noted previously, the Sony uses a CMOS sensor with a rolling shutter. If the event is a wedding reception, a band performing on stage, a news conference, or anything else where flash is likely, you will have issues with the image.

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        • #34
          How I handle long form on HVX202

          I have 2 16GB P2 cards. HVX202 accepts 2 P2 cards - it will record on one card until it is full, then goes over to the 2nd card. 16GB at 720p is about 34 minutes. When HVX202 overflows to 2nd card, I eject the 1st card, pop into P2Store - upload the data in the hard-disk (about 15 minutes ... copy + verify) - and then I reformat the P2 card, pop it back into HVX202. Once the 2nd card is full, it will overflow back to 1st card - and repeat the process with P2Store for 2nd card.

          One P2Store holds 3 16GB worth of data (48GB) - internal HDD is 60GB - yup .. i know it is small.

          So you can get 2.75 hours worth of recording using one P2Store this way. 3 16GB inside P2Store = 34 * 3 = 102 minutes. + 2 P2 Cards inside HVX202 = 69 minutes ... so total = 102 + 69 minutes of continuous recording.

          You want more time, add another P2Store ... 102 + 102 + 69 minutes.
          TingSern
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          • #35
            I wonder if you can replace the P2 Store hard drive (Sorry for being totally off topic)...Worth an experiment, what do you have to lose? :)

            Take out the 2.5" HD, see what the RPM is, if it's SATA or not....buy a 250GB drive, pop it in :)

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            • #36
              For 720p/24pn:
              8gig=20 min.
              16gig=41 min
              32gig= 82-83 min.

              For p2, that is, since that is what this thread was originally about. It's interesting to note that two 8 gig p2 cards in the camera will yield about a minute less than record time than one single 16 gig p2 card in the camera. The gap widens as you go up in card capacities.

              I'm not sure what the difference is in 24pn (NTSC) vs. 25pn (PAL) in record time, but I think it would be minimal...

              PN modes are dependent on the frame rate to figure out how much record time you get per gig. More fps = less record time.

              All other modes of DVCPRO HD will net you one minute per gig.

              Later,
              Jason
              HVX/P2/DVCPRO HD. EDIUS Broadcast 4.54

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              • #37
                The fact that nobody reported it has been successfully done - indicates to me that it can't be done. I heard the drive uses a controller that can't be swapped out ... a great pity. If not, it will be very good if we can upgrade a P2Store HDD to, errr, ... 512GB (yup - is available now). My 2 P2Stores are still under warranty - so, I am waiting :-)....

                I just stated that mine (720p) PAL will go 34 minutes on 16GB.
                TingSern
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                • #38
                  One problem with the P2 Store is that it dumps each offloaded card into a separate partition, regardless of how much data was on the card.

                  With a limit of 15 partitions per drive, you simply won't be able to take advantage of the latest hard drives with the currently available P2 cards.

                  My 32GB P2 cards are reported as having 85 minutes of recording time in my HVX 200 at 720p/24pn, giving me up to 170 minutes of swap-free recording.

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                  • #39
                    Maybe Panasonic will now think about upgrading their drives and actually do some good :)

                    They want you to buy the cards, obviously, that's why the P2 store devices are so small in size. I'm sure they can pop in the 512GB (the one tingsern mentioned) if they really wanted to...or better yet, the 250GB, which are only ~$100 right now

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                    • #40
                      I think Panasonic would prefer if you buy the P2 Gear.

                      It lets you offload cards, review clips, and a whole lot more. It has essentially unlimited capacity because it allows you to plug in external USB drives -- in fact, it can power them, too. It also does away with the idea of creating one partition for every card you offload, it creates a folder for each card instead.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by STORMDAVE View Post
                        Maybe Panasonic will now think about upgrading their drives and actually do some good :)

                        They want you to buy the cards, obviously, that's why the P2 store devices are so small in size. I'm sure they can pop in the 512GB (the one tingsern mentioned) if they really wanted to...or better yet, the 250GB, which are only ~$100 right now
                        Dave,
                        This is the unit I was talking about to use with the Ex1.
                        http://www.convergent-design.com/dow...XDR%20FAQs.pdf

                        You can use it with any camera with an HD-SDI output.
                        Jerry
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                        • #42
                          P2 Gear costs US$4,000!!! Ahem ... forget it. Rather carry a notebook to do that task instead.

                          I read that the P2Store HDD has a specialised controller - has an accelerometer that allows the hardware to sense if the P2Store is falling and actually parks the read write heads before the P2Store hits the ground. Whether the controller is part of the HDD or outside - nobody knows. That's the problem.

                          Another issue is the 15 partitions - each partition is 4GB. Not sure whether putting a larger HDD will allow the P2Store to take advantage of it. It copies data in multiples of 4GB ...
                          TingSern
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                          • #43
                            Gosh - Flash XDR box is not cheap ... US$4995 !!! I think I better stick to P2 cards then.

                            I can get 4 32GB P2 cards for that price - enough to keep me happy recording on my HVX202 for nearly 4.5 hours (at 720p - 25PN).
                            TingSern
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                            Edius 9.4 Pro, Lenovo P72 workstation laptop, 64GB RAM, Xeon CPU, Windows 10 Pro (64 bits), 2 x 2TB Samsung M2.NVME and 1 x 4TB Samsung SSD internal. Panasonic UX180 camera, Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema, Blackmagic Pocket Cinema

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                            • #44
                              i read that SxS has been produce by 3rd party such as kingstone etc... or it just an issue.. the day will come when SxS or P2 will be so cheap..i just have to wait a bit longer to 'taste' what u guys talking about ;) hope by that time sony will not come out with a new FULL-FULLY SUPER HD 3000x2000 res and a new format of *.MXZ perhaps ;)
                              i've bought 2 FX1 2 years ago n been dreaming of editing in a new HDV format.. the burner has not been produce yet in indonesia... n now have to face that it launch FULL HD with the card..oh gosh! i wonder if i could swap my fx with the ex ;) sony u r very tricky...should've told us before we buy the FX1.. should have told us the Full HD is coming...HDV seems like a trap.
                              lucky u tingsern ;)
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                              • #45
                                Fukly,

                                Everything has its pros and cons ... assuming that Sony Super Duper HDDD 3000x6000 whatever comes out at a bottom price, you want to buy it? Think again ... You think your editing station has the horsepower to edit that video? You got to pay and pay (again) to upgrade that hard-disk, upgrade that CPU, whatever ... :-)).

                                Then - you wait ... Zzzz ... for the consumers to play the catch up game. Because there are no devices out there that can play your super duper high res HD video.

                                I think this present HD is good enough for the next 10 years ...
                                TingSern
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                                Edius 9.4 Pro, Lenovo P72 workstation laptop, 64GB RAM, Xeon CPU, Windows 10 Pro (64 bits), 2 x 2TB Samsung M2.NVME and 1 x 4TB Samsung SSD internal. Panasonic UX180 camera, Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema, Blackmagic Pocket Cinema

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