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  • #31
    Thank You all for the advice.
    Edius 9.5 / X ,Win 10 home
    Asrock Phantom gaming 6,
    CPU Intel I9-9900K
    500 Gb M.2 Samsung SSD 970 Pro plus
    1 TB M2 Samsung SSD 970Pro
    SSD OCZ 256MB
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    2 Dell monitors UP2716D

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    • #32
      Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
      I would advice to get 2 Dell 27" 2560x1440 and they work fine at 100% scaling
      End this week or next,I will receive the Dell UP2716D monitors,if the output isn't smooth enough,would the BM intensity pro 4K card a good choice ?
      Edius 9.5 / X ,Win 10 home
      Asrock Phantom gaming 6,
      CPU Intel I9-9900K
      500 Gb M.2 Samsung SSD 970 Pro plus
      1 TB M2 Samsung SSD 970Pro
      SSD OCZ 256MB
      WD 4TB HDD
      2 Dell monitors UP2716D

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      • #33
        Originally posted by edver1 View Post
        End this week or next,I will receive the Dell UP2716D monitors,if the output isn't smooth enough,would the BM intensity pro 4K card a good choice ?
        Video playback on in the Edius GUI is not perfect, probably due to the differences in refresh rates from a computer monitor versus video framerate (computer monitors usually start at 60Hz and go up from there. If your video framerate doesn't evenly divide into the refresh rate of the monitor, it will often look a little jerky. Additionally, computer monitors and video are often in different colour spaces/models, RGB vs. YUV, so you can't really critically evaluate video colour on a computer monitor).

        If you want to critically see what your video is actually looking like, it is advisable to use a video output card or box and a video monitor, so that the frame rate and refresh rate are in sync or evenly divisible, and in the same colour space. This holds true for every NLE on the market.

        That said, the BM Intensity Pro 4K is an acceptable entry level card for HDMI output connections to a video monitor or TV, but if you need a different type connection, such as SDI, or if you plan on capturing analog video with the card, you would be better off looking at one of their Decklink cards. AJA also make some nice cards, but they tend to be more expensive, and originally you could not capture with them in Edius, but this may have changed.
        Last edited by BernH; 01-16-2020, 04:46 AM.
        Edius WG 9.55.9157, various 3rd party plugins, VisTitle 2.9.6.0, Win 7 Ultimate SP1, i7-4790K @ 4GHz with HD4600 GPU embedded, MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard, 32GB Kingston HyperX RAM, nVidia GTX680 4GB GPU, Matrox MX02 Mini MAX, Corsair 750W PSU, Corsair H110i GT Water Cooler, Corsair C70 case, 8TB Internal RAID 0/stripe (2x4TB Seagate SATAIII HDD's, Win7 Software stripe), 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, Pioneer BDR-207D, Dual 1920x1080 monitors (one on GTX680 and one on Intel HD4600).

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        • #34
          Recording isnt on my list,Ïll triyng to match the framerate as much as posible of the recorded files.
          My plan is to set one monitor in the colour space same as the camera an the other like the screens I play them
          All this as much as posible.
          An Aja card is above my budget .
          Thanks for the info.
          Edius 9.5 / X ,Win 10 home
          Asrock Phantom gaming 6,
          CPU Intel I9-9900K
          500 Gb M.2 Samsung SSD 970 Pro plus
          1 TB M2 Samsung SSD 970Pro
          SSD OCZ 256MB
          WD 4TB HDD
          2 Dell monitors UP2716D

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          • #35
            Originally posted by edver1 View Post
            End this week or next,I will receive the Dell UP2716D monitors,if the output isn't smooth enough,would the BM intensity pro 4K card a good choice ?
            the Dell Monitors are for PC graphics and not for viewing video

            so connect a proper TV to a BM4k Mini Monitor card

            there are also a few Grass Valley cards you may still be able to buy like:

            STORM Pro with Bay


            STORM 3G or STORM MOBILE
            Anton Strauss
            Antons Video Productions - Sydney

            EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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            • #36
              Originally posted by edver1 View Post
              Recording isnt on my list,Ïll triyng to match the framerate as much as posible of the recorded files.
              My plan is to set one monitor in the colour space same as the camera an the other like the screens I play them
              All this as much as posible.
              An Aja card is above my budget .
              Thanks for the info.
              I'll say it again:
              If you want to critically see what your video is actually looking like, it is advisable to use a video output card or box and a video monitor, so that the frame rate and refresh rate are in sync or evenly divisible, and in the same colour space. This holds true for every NLE on the market.

              You may not be able to adjust a computer monitor to be evenly divisible by your framerate. For example, if your video is 50p, 50Hz is normally not a valid refresh, and you may not be able to pick 100Hz, 150Hz, 200Hz etc. Also as I said, computer monitors operate in RGB, while most video is in YUV. This is not something that is normally changeable on a computer monitor. Colours are often close, but not exact.
              Edius WG 9.55.9157, various 3rd party plugins, VisTitle 2.9.6.0, Win 7 Ultimate SP1, i7-4790K @ 4GHz with HD4600 GPU embedded, MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard, 32GB Kingston HyperX RAM, nVidia GTX680 4GB GPU, Matrox MX02 Mini MAX, Corsair 750W PSU, Corsair H110i GT Water Cooler, Corsair C70 case, 8TB Internal RAID 0/stripe (2x4TB Seagate SATAIII HDD's, Win7 Software stripe), 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, Pioneer BDR-207D, Dual 1920x1080 monitors (one on GTX680 and one on Intel HD4600).

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              • #37
                Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                the Dell Monitors are for PC graphics and not for viewing video

                so connect a proper TV to a BM4k Mini Monitor card
                I prefer the Intensity Pro 4K as an entry level option for the analog audio output. With the mini monitor, you need to listen to the TV, take audio out of the tv to speakers, or pass the hdmi through a de-embedder or de-embedding amp before hitting the tv.

                My sony video monitor is fast enough to not notice any latency relative to audio, so the BM IP4K worked ok, but on a lot of consumer tv's, the display has a more noticeable delay processing the video relative to the audio if the audio is monitored before the tv. If I was using a TV, I'd really want a de-embedding amp with some delay compensation to adjust for the tv latency, but with the monitor I have, I can just feed audio from the I/O box through a level control to a set of powered near field audio monitors.

                I am not advocating one way over the other, but these are points that you need to be aware of if you are trying to set up a proper monitoring environment.
                Edius WG 9.55.9157, various 3rd party plugins, VisTitle 2.9.6.0, Win 7 Ultimate SP1, i7-4790K @ 4GHz with HD4600 GPU embedded, MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard, 32GB Kingston HyperX RAM, nVidia GTX680 4GB GPU, Matrox MX02 Mini MAX, Corsair 750W PSU, Corsair H110i GT Water Cooler, Corsair C70 case, 8TB Internal RAID 0/stripe (2x4TB Seagate SATAIII HDD's, Win7 Software stripe), 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, Pioneer BDR-207D, Dual 1920x1080 monitors (one on GTX680 and one on Intel HD4600).

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by BernH View Post
                  I prefer the Intensity Pro 4K as an entry level option for the analog audio output. With the mini monitor, you need to listen to the TV, take audio out of the tv to speakers, or pass the hdmi through a de-embedder or de-embedding amp before hitting the tv.
                  if you go from BM HDMI out to a Home Amp (such as Yamaha) and from home Amp to TV, you will have perfect audio and lip sync

                  set the default sound device to BM and you will also hear all PC sounds via the Home Amp

                  if using analog audio from BM IP4k, I would then use component out to TV to maintain lip sync, because HDMI usually has a 40ms delay
                  Anton Strauss
                  Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                  EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                  • #39
                    I realize TV's and monitors have a different "goal" and the basic techniques are
                    not the same,but with a good calibration tool you should get a decent similar picture ( not professional use of course ) or not ?
                    Edius 9.5 / X ,Win 10 home
                    Asrock Phantom gaming 6,
                    CPU Intel I9-9900K
                    500 Gb M.2 Samsung SSD 970 Pro plus
                    1 TB M2 Samsung SSD 970Pro
                    SSD OCZ 256MB
                    WD 4TB HDD
                    2 Dell monitors UP2716D

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by edver1 View Post
                      I realize TV's and monitors have a different "goal" and the basic techniques are
                      not the same,but with a good calibration tool you should get a decent similar picture ( not professional use of course ) or not ?
                      the Dell mon will run at 60 hertz and when playing Pal video which is ideal for 50 hertz, you will get jerky results and horizontal tear lines especially during camera pans

                      TVs in your country are 50 hertz, same as here in Australia

                      also, PC mon work in RGB, not ideal for video
                      Anton Strauss
                      Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                      EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                        the Dell mon will run at 60 hertz and when playing Pal video which is ideal for 50 hertz, you will get jerky results and horizontal tear lines especially during camera pans

                        TVs in your country are 50 hertz, same as here in Australia

                        also, PC mon work in RGB, not ideal for video
                        Thanks Anton for re-enforcing my points.

                        Originally posted by edver1 View Post
                        I realize TV's and monitors have a different "goal" and the basic techniques are not the same,but with a good calibration tool you should get a decent similar picture ( not professional use of course ) or not ?
                        As I have stated twice before and Anton has re-enforced and re-phrased again now, framerate vs. refresh rate differences will make the video motion look bad. RGB vs YUV will make video colours inaccurate.

                        Calibration will get colours close, but not exact and will do nothing for the framerate/refresh issue.
                        Edius WG 9.55.9157, various 3rd party plugins, VisTitle 2.9.6.0, Win 7 Ultimate SP1, i7-4790K @ 4GHz with HD4600 GPU embedded, MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard, 32GB Kingston HyperX RAM, nVidia GTX680 4GB GPU, Matrox MX02 Mini MAX, Corsair 750W PSU, Corsair H110i GT Water Cooler, Corsair C70 case, 8TB Internal RAID 0/stripe (2x4TB Seagate SATAIII HDD's, Win7 Software stripe), 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, Pioneer BDR-207D, Dual 1920x1080 monitors (one on GTX680 and one on Intel HD4600).

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