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    I've used older versions of Imaginate in my old Rex-edit system, worked great, now with Imaginate 2.0 (in a new Edius system) it's not worth using. output is always soft, (using hi res jpeg's and everything else) but still soft, I don't even have to render, it's already soft in the right hand preview window, ( in the main editing window the image is sharp) I don't have the blur on either it's set to "0" but seems stuck on...tried a re-install also, same problem, Anyone with any Ideas...Gry

  • #2
    seems fine here when I open the IVT direct in Edius

    I don't export to avi from within IM2

    did you install the IM2 service pack?
    Anton Strauss
    Antons Video Productions - Sydney

    EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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    • #3
      Fine here.

      Version: 2.02.00.04
      Steve
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      • #4
        Are you using 720 .ivp files in a 1080 Edius project?

        (grasping at straws here)
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        • #5
          Got to agree with MinMinc about soft images, for me only when using the ivp file on the Edius timeline and not if I render from Imaginate (v2.02.00.04).

          Sitting 2 ft from my 26" editing monitor, an HDTV via NX hardware believe me I can tell when an image is blurred or not and Imaginate ivp project files imported into Edius cannot be relied on, sometimes they are sharp, then the next day the same project, it's gone soft again.

          So now I always render out which is sad.
          Claire

          Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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          • #6
            Claire, I glad you "feel my pain", The only way I know of as to rendering is within Imaginate, I'm also working with 2.0 do you think that may be the problem. Gary

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            • #7
              you don't say if you are using the .ivp file or not, yes I render from Imaginate, my work is always in PAL HDV so I start a new Imaginate project with the properties 16:9 and target width 1080, then I bring in stills of typically 3072 x 2048 size from a Canon EOS camera.

              With this size of image I set scaling to 24% to show the maximum picture area
              without black borders at the side and 37 or 38% maximum to zoom right in so as not to exceed the available resolution.

              These images look pin sharp in Edius after rendered out as a Canopus HQ 1920 x 1080 video file. If I instead use the .ivp project file in Edius the same stuff is soft so I can only attribute this to some communications link between Edius and the .ivp file?
              Claire

              Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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              • #8
                I have not tried HD resolution in IM2, btw, target width 1080 sounds strange?

                I use SD 16:9 D1 or DV and IM2 IVT files look sharper than if I was to render to avi
                Anton Strauss
                Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                • #9
                  I just found some notes I made about this problem from when I purchased Imaginate last year...

                  quote:
                  "is not consistent when using the saved project on the Edius timeline. It can be dead sharp then all blurry! The first time this happened when I altered scale at one end of the slide's timeline. Still sharp in Imaginate window but no longer in Edius, I resave the Imaginate project and the view in Edius became sharp once more, only to go blurred again after scrubbing. This seems to be a fault with the connection between Edius and Imaginate and looks like exporting as a file is the only reliable way to work between them."

                  later quote:
                  "Lastly, I rendered out both a snapshot and an AVI of the IVP from Edius in case it was only blurred until rendered from Edius but this was not to be so. It looks like the IVP on the timeline is useful only for finalising the slide show, being able to see it in action on the HDTV, since so far it plays in real time and one can stretch it to find the best fit, which would then be able to be put into Imaginate project before making the final AVI."
                  Claire

                  Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                    I have not tried HD resolution in IM2, btw, target width 1080 sounds strange?

                    I use SD 16:9 D1 or DV and IM2 IVT files look sharper than if I was to render to avi
                    Whoops! Sorry I should say ***1920****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Claire

                    Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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                    • #11
                      Anton, I wish I had your tact and diplomacy when faced with people speaking goofy stuff, like making the HD frame 1080 wide instead of 1920.

                      Heh!
                      Claire

                      Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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                      • #12
                        well, I also have a Canon EOS and I will try this now at HD resolution

                        back soon
                        Anton Strauss
                        Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                        EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                        • #13
                          test complete

                          1. the IVT looks the same sharpness once played, but the IVT looks softer if you step through frame by frame during a move, this does not bother me

                          2. render to HD 1920x1080 50i Pal HQ from IM2 produces flickermotion during the move, so I must alter the field order in Edius clip properties to lower field, this fixes it

                          3. so, IM2 renders the wrong field order when choosing Pal HD HQ, technically speaking it renders upper field first which is meant to be correct but for some reason, Edius plays it with flickermotion

                          field order issues have been around for some time in Canopus products, but luckily Edius allows for a simple fix

                          Note: I always start an IM2 size and move position on even pixel numbers and I always end on even pixel numbers (out of habit from Speed Razor days, try it and see if it helps)
                          Anton Strauss
                          Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                          EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                          • #14
                            Do this...

                            Use a single photo in your Imaginate project, make the duration a few seconds and scale it to 1.0 with no motion.

                            Render it as an HQ avi.

                            Place the ivp on the bottom track in Edius and put the avi on the track above, finally put the original photo on a third track scale the photo to 100%. (3072 x 2048) with layout tool.

                            To see the difference toggle the top two tracks off and on. If you are able to see a large enough preview the photo and the rendered avi will be sharp and the ivp will be soft. I am looking at a photo of a hotel wall where the cement rendering and the roof tiles go from tack sharp to hazy. The difference is like a photo taken with a prime Canon lens compared to one taken with a Sigma zoom lens

                            If you don't see it it will be because you are looking at too small a preview, the small default monitor size in Edius is not going to reveal this, even with it stretched out as far as I can get it on my 19" computer screen it's easy to miss the softening if you don't compare it with the original or an AVI, but it's as plain as day on the HDTV, which is where the people viewing are going to see it.

                            PS, sorry about my errors with scaling in Imaginate in my earlier post, should of course be a scale range of 0.62 to 1.00.
                            Claire

                            Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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                            • #15
                              I am using a 42" HD Plasma connected via component to SP board output

                              I have done your test and I see that the IVT is a very little bit softer in Pal, not enough to worry me, 10% sharpness brought it in line without causing side effects

                              however, if I make the images move, then it is very difficult to see a difference
                              Anton Strauss
                              Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                              EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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