Edius Dvd is frustating......

[SoundFreak]

I.M.H.O GV should discontinue efforts on DVD Authoring, Take it out of Edius (just in Neo Only, Like Mpeg Craft), Spend more time on bug fixes, there are plenty.

Then after all works good, focus on improving Edius, the Feature request list is pretty long last time I checked.

Then if All is done (request list is empty) and passes with flying colors spend time on DVD Authoring.

Likely the majority of Edius users will not use it anyway because most of us are comfortable using what we have all these years.

When DVD (Blue Ray, HD DVD) authoring and the like become so full pledge that it surpasses the competition, Edius price will go up again.

As long as they make it a seperate Standalone version like "Edius Pro DVD" or the like, we can choose to Buy or Not.

Just my 2 Cents .............

Edit : Don't get me Wrong, I love using Edius all these Years (since 1.1), and now that GV has taken over we've seen many useful new Improvements. I just hate seeing Edius become a Hog, it's too good for that !

[Ron Evans]

Mark I agree that one can't make a single tool to do everything and yes as a retired amateur I may shoot more video than some professionals!!! I agree with what you are saying. I like Edius for its speed and I now like the interface over the others I have( Vegas 8 and CS3). I mainly edit four camera shoots with extra stereo audio from a Zoom H4. Edius is by far the easiest to mix the four cameras, Vegas is by far the most capable for the audio mixing and I still like DVDlab for DVD authoring ( and yes I do export the chapter marks from Edius, however I can't force an I-frame at these chapter marks--is there a way?) I don't want or need Edius to do everything but if a feature is included it would be nice if it worked well.

Ron Evans

[antonsvideo]

since you use DVD-Lab Pro, you can fine tune the imported Edius chapters

click a chapter diamond and see what image is displayed on preview mon, if you want to fine tune at frame level, right click and chapter properties, type a new number for frame index
http://www.videoproductions.com.au/d...ine-adjust.gif

and for coarse adjustment
http://www.videoproductions.com.au/d...rse-adjust.gif

[Ron Evans]

Yes Anton I use both these methods to move chapter points but they still have to be on an I-Frame, thats half a second. Some of the exercises video I have done have lots of exercises that are only 35 to 50 seconds long I needed to ensure the chapter point was exactly at the right point. Only Vegas encode will do this consistently over a 30 min with over 35 chapters. Architect was a pain to use but did do the task successfully.

Ron Evans

[SoundFreak]

I'm using DVD Workshop 2 and manualy type the time code from the edius export list in the DVD chapter list, Have not found a way to import (if someone know's how please reveal).

It's alot of work but every maker you set in Edius will get the exact same frame accurate spot in the final DVD, never had problems with that.

DVD workshop is not the best out there, that I'm sure of, you can make pretty good menu's, but a sub menu jump is a bit rough, well it does what I need it to do and makes good ISO files at a reasonable speed. How ever nice a menu is, if you have seen it trice it's mostly twice too many.

Burning I still do with Nero, for me no other ................

Edit : oops, I forgot the part of the I Frame, in DVD workshop you can switch this to "OFF" and this allows you to place the marker at any spot, have not tried this, so can't report if this works reliable. Even with using I frame "ON" you seldom get in to trouble, a good work around for this is to set the chapter marker 12 frames early.

If chapter points are disturbing to you and just a few frames away from the I frame, re-edit your footage so that it fits.
If you're chapter points need to be so extreme frame accurate maybe you need to pay extra special attention while editing and shorten or lenghten the footage to fit you I frame.
Keep in mind that not every DVD player available will show the I frame when jumping back and forth between chapters. often they miss a whole bunch of frames before spitting out the picture .....................

[Ron Evans]

It is my understanding that chapter marks have to be on I-Frames to meet the DVD spec. So the only way to set an accurate chapter mark is to have the encoder set an i-frame at the chapter mark( otherwise the authoring program will move to the nearest i-frame). It has nothing to do with the NLE, just the encoder. Which is why it is important to have the MPEG encoder as part of the NLE or authoring program. Not always the best choice in encoders though. Most of the time this is not important I just happened to have had this problem a few times in the past year. Even with frame indexing DVD Lab is still not as accurate( because of i-frame control) as doing the same thing in Vegas and Architect which ended up absolutely on the chapter marks as set, at least on all my DVD players!!!
Ron Evans

[antonsvideo]

Hi Ron

watch this post, something of interest will appear

[antonsvideo]

as promised
http://www.videoproductions.com.au/h...-chapters.html

[Ron Evans]

Thanks Anton. That looks a great way to do it as I like TMPGenc4 too.

Ron Evans

[ken7]

I'm trying to use the Canopus DVD Creator for simple DVD authoring. However, the markers I set on my timeline aren't even close to what Creator is showing. As an example, I'll try a marker at 30 seconds into the project and Creator puts a chapter point at 7 minutes 8 seconds into the DVD.

That's not even in the same ballpark. I can even accept an error of a second or 1/2 second, but to be off by many minutes...I must be missing something.

As to previous comments about Edius dropping this feature, I totally disagree. Often you may need nothing more than a simple DVD with limited authoring. The workflow is incredibly easy with something like Creator if it works properly. To ask for accurate chapter points is really not asking a lot.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get at least within a second or two of markers?

[Bart]

Just hope this get fixed ... I also like a simple and fast DVD tool so I do hope since the first release of this tool that the chapterpoints get fixed.

Meanwhile, you can correct them manually if you have the time ...

[ken7]

Just hope this get fixed ... I also like a simple and fast DVD tool so I do hope since the first release of this tool that the chapterpoints get fixed.

Meanwhile, you can correct them manually if you have the time ...

Bart, how do you adjust this manually? Even that doesn't seem clear in the instructions. It seems to me this is more than a GOP issue since in my case I'm seeing errors of 7 minutes!

[antonsvideo]

I have tested this in Pal and can't repeat the problem

some things to consider:
1. in order to get close enough chapter points, the project must start from the leftmost point of the timeline
2. in NTSC, there maybe DF versus NDF issues?

[gapmedia]

Chapter points seem to work okay for me in PAL also.

[Bart]

To be more precise: chapter points are here (DV PAL) correctly translated from the timeline to the DVD, the thumbnails used for the chapter points on the DVD are not correct. The thumbnails are sometimes several minutes out of sync with the chapter points. (a lot more than what could be explained by the mpeg-structure)

When I was talking about correcting => I meant correcting the thumbnails.