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  • #16
    Funny how people complain about a $400 upgrade but spend almost 7k on a camcorder.
    Maybe I should go to the sony forum and start complaining that the ex should be free since I own an old betacam camcoder, a a sony DVcam camcoder, a few dsr 11.
    I'll also complain that recording to memory card should have been included in the dvcam camcorder line.
    Hmm....... is worth a try.

    I think all this complaining is silly.
    If you don't want to pay for the upgrade don't buy the EX. Edius pro does what it said it would be doing when purchased.

    If you buy the ex do research .
    How will it fit in my work flow
    Can I edit it
    What would the cost be?

    It's not only go and buy. Investment in acquisition is not just that.

    If I go buy a 35 mm Arriflex should I start complaining that I can't edit 4K (digital dailies) and start demanding that Edius pro should be doing this for free?

    Steve
    Last edited by SRsupport; 01-04-2008, 03:14 PM.
    Steve
    EDIUS Trainer, Grass Cutter Gold
    A proud EDIUS EDITOR
    For more information on the Grass Cutter program please visit: http://www.grass-cutters.net

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    • #17
      Couple of ways you can look at it. From GVs standpoint the .mfx format from the XDCAM HD Cinealta has been part of the Broadcast module since day one...it makes sense therefor that a small brother iteration of that format with the .mp4 belongs in Broadcast. On the other hand Cineform supports the EX by free upgrade to all their lines(Aspect,Neo and Prospect).

      As far as the price of the camera goes I don't get how that says anything but it should be part of Edius Pro...the Cinealta is/was a 50k tool and this one is 6k. The H1 is 8k and Edius Pro supports it. I want to hear from folks who get this camera since I like everything about it except the limited zoom. I am especially interested in the latitude it has. Finally 1/2 chips and true 1920x1080 at a reasonable price point.

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      • #18
        EX support is free to current broadcast owners.
        Maybe there is some kind of licensing involved.
        If so everybody has to pay for it.
        (Maybe broadcast owners already did XDam ect)

        But GV can always change the policy.
        Last edited by SRsupport; 01-04-2008, 03:53 PM.
        Steve
        EDIUS Trainer, Grass Cutter Gold
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        For more information on the Grass Cutter program please visit: http://www.grass-cutters.net

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        • #19
          Both FCP and Vegas support EX1 at no extra cost other than that for their latest upgrade. The cost of the camera is a red herring and it is unfortunate that GV seem to think that it should.

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          • #20
            I just got my Ex and I will begin shooting some test footage today. It is my understanding that you cah shoot in the HDV mode 1440x1080i and use Edius Pro or BC now. However, if you shoot full HD 1920x1080p you will have to wait for 4.6 BC.
            I may be wrong on all of this but I have been told that XDCAM 350-355series will not shoot full HD. My B roll camera will be my Zu1 and I hope that I will be able to use both cameras in the HDV mode. BTW HDV looks pretty good to me. My end product is SD DVD and the results this past year using the Z1 and Edius is superb!

            When and if the format war ever ends and we have a resonable blank disk (regardless of the format) then the footage I have shot in 2007 and 2008 will be avail able to distribute on a hd/br DVD disk.

            Ronnie
            www.dirtracingvideo.com
            Ronnie Martin
            Kato Video Productions
            main system: custom built by Edit HD Ultma 277,Intel (R) core (TM) i7 2600K cpu 3.40 GHz 3.40Ghz, 16GB ram, Windows 7, Intel HD (R) graphics 3000, NVIDA Gforce GT 440, C drive Samsung SSD 850 pro, video drive WD 3TB SATA, 2 LG Bluray drives, External WD SATA 2TB storage/backup drives in thermaltake Black device. edius 8.3 WG

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RonnieMartin View Post
              I
              I may be wrong on all of this but it is my understanding that XDCAM 350-355series will not shoot full HD.
              You are not wrong they shoot 1440

              SR
              Steve
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              • #22
                Originally posted by SRsupport View Post
                You are not wrong they shoot 1440

                SR
                Thanks glad to hear that I am right some of the time. When you think about it a camera with all the features of the EX for just under 7K is really a bargain.

                Ronnie
                Ronnie Martin
                Kato Video Productions
                main system: custom built by Edit HD Ultma 277,Intel (R) core (TM) i7 2600K cpu 3.40 GHz 3.40Ghz, 16GB ram, Windows 7, Intel HD (R) graphics 3000, NVIDA Gforce GT 440, C drive Samsung SSD 850 pro, video drive WD 3TB SATA, 2 LG Bluray drives, External WD SATA 2TB storage/backup drives in thermaltake Black device. edius 8.3 WG

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ChrisFar View Post
                  I am not to happy about having to plunk down more dough so I can use a EX.

                  So, you have one of the EX Cameras? How do you like it?


                  Mike

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Geoff View Post
                    Both FCP and Vegas support EX1 at no extra cost other than that for their latest upgrade. The cost of the camera is a red herring and it is unfortunate that GV seem to think that it should.

                    I would like to see the support... if it is a transcode or re-wrap then Pro does it now... With Procoder.

                    Lets not forget what kind of camera support we are talking about here... pure native... no changes.


                    Mike

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                    • #25
                      tingsern,

                      i am just surprised that we have to upgrade to the broadcast version. other nle's seem to incorporate the sony ex camera as non broadcast...i guess.

                      i am told vegas and the newtek vt5 accept the ex files...for no extra charge.

                      again i am just a bit dissapointed in canopus or now...grass valley.

                      my 2 cents,


                      dano

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                      • #26
                        for steve

                        i do not see how the price of the camera should affect the nle from being able to edit (codec i guess) the video. the ex camera is @ 7k. i have a sony dsr 390 @ 9k. i have another 570 @ 12k. they work fine with edius pro.

                        your logic, in regard to camera price vs an nle to accept its format, does not add up.


                        dano


                        Originally posted by SRsupport View Post
                        Funny how people complain about a $400 upgrade but spend almost 7k on a camcorder.
                        Maybe I should go to the sony forum and start complaining that the ex should be free since I own an old betacam camcoder, a a sony DVcam camcoder, a few dsr 11.
                        I'll also complain that recording to memory card should have been included in the dvcam camcorder line.
                        Hmm....... is worth a try.

                        I think all this complaining is silly.
                        If you don't want to pay for the upgrade don't buy the EX. Edius pro does what it said it would be doing when purchased.

                        If you buy the ex do research .
                        How will it fit in my work flow
                        Can I edit it
                        What would the cost be?

                        It's not only go and buy. Investment in acquisition is not just that.

                        If I go buy a 35 mm Arriflex should I start complaining that I can't edit 4K (digital dailies) and start demanding that Edius pro should be doing this for free?

                        Steve

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by GrassValley_MD View Post
                          So, you have one of the EX Cameras? How do you like it?


                          Mike
                          I will answer your question

                          No, I do not have an EX, I do not trust the handheld cameras in low light. Never have, and until I see great video in lowlight I never will. I would have bought a 350, but I asked my sales rep about the low light on that camera and he was honest and said it was not great. I will buy the best available Full shoulder mounted HD camera when I think the low light quality is there. If it costs me 30-35K then thats what it costs. I buy it knowing the cost. When I bought my DSR-300A's they were 12K each, I knew they would last for a long time and make me money, years later they are still generating me considerable revenue.

                          Now, be honest and tell me if my upgrading to the Pro version of Edius was a good purchase. I did so not imaging that it would not supports certain cameras. Now if thats the case, and I need Broadcast, I need to make a purchase decision based on Vegas,or FCP at x amount, and Edius Broadcast not Edius Pro Right? Which as a loyal Canopus customer means I have wasted my dollars on continuously upgrading Edius to Pro, unless I upgrade to Broadcast.

                          Should Edius Pro's name be changed to Edius Basic

                          Thanks
                          Chris

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by dano3655 View Post
                            i do not see how the price of the camera should affect the nle from being able to edit (codec i guess) the video. the ex camera is @ 7k. i have a sony dsr 390 @ 9k. i have another 570 @ 12k. they work fine with edius pro.

                            your logic, in regard to camera price vs an nle to accept its format, does not add up.


                            dano
                            That's not the logic.

                            If you spent 7000 on a camera why would you cry to shell out 400 for an upgrade of your nle.

                            You seem to be forgetting that the EX is 1920x1080, a different codec/wrapper which needs licensing.

                            a 1 dollar dv camera or 10000000000 dollar dv camera use the same dv codec.
                            They both will be 720x480.

                            And before you invest in a camcorder you should first look and the edit delevery workflow.
                            I you do that you will see that gv never ever said that edius pro would support the EX.

                            Why complain then???





                            Man.............I am done with this.
                            Last edited by SRsupport; 01-04-2008, 10:17 PM.
                            Steve
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                            A proud EDIUS EDITOR
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                            • #29
                              Chris, if you want to use EX1, upgrade to Broadcast - that's how it works. Future upgrades work on the same level/pricing.

                              For example, a person upgrading from Pro 3 to Pro 4, pays the same amount as someone upgrading Broadcast 3 to Broadcast 4.

                              You can also upgrade Pro 3 to Broadcast 4, but the price will be different than the above.

                              As for the comments here, please try to keep the following in mind:
                              - There was never any promise of EX1 support to either be free, or in EDIUS Pro (prior to v4.6's unveiling at InterBee). As it turns out, it will be free for EDIUS Broadcast owners. Buying a product with the expectation that something will be added in the future for absolutely no charge, is definitely a gamble and isn't exactly a sensible consumer practice
                              - Product names aside, EDIUS format support works this way - consumer cameras/equipment for Pro, higher-end, non-tape for Broadcast. This model has been in effect since the beginning of EDIUS Broadcast
                              - A special upgrade price (for a limited time) from Pro to Broadcast, isn't impossible - it just needs planning. I have no information on if or when such a promotion would happen

                              We are well aware that the EX1 has created some new excitement in the prosumer market, and we will be working to ensure that everyone can get their hands into these new formats as easily possible, within the current software licensing model.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ChrisFar View Post
                                As an Edius 1.0 original user, how about an upgrade special for early adopters to Broadcast? Will the Broadcast version eventually replace the Pro version as newer cameras come out? Should the Pro version even be purchased by new users? Is Edius only for Pro's who can afford the upgrades? As a dreaded wedding videographer I have been paying for Edius for a long time(since 1.0) and although I like it, I am not to happy about having to plunk down more dough so I can use a EX. The functionality should be in the Pro version, it is a disappointment, and I do not agree it should just be assumed as the cost of being a Pro.
                                Chris
                                Grass Valley has to pay licensing fees to both Sony & Panasonic...this is why the "upgrade" to Broadcast cost $400. Edius 4 Broadcast (Full) itself is $999 or so.

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