Many hours down the drain

[antonsvideo]

I opened my finished Tai Chi Documentary which is 16:9 and has 132 TMPro titles

I exported to Pal DVD and NTSC DVD and authored each one

Then I tested and noticed that all titles got squashed into 4:3 during export

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

here we start again, I must remember to scrub each of the 132 titles prior to export in order to make the title pop back to its correct shape

I hope 4.6 is here soon

[Khoi Pham]

That is weird, it works fine here now, must be a Pal problem.

[antonsvideo]

try it like this

start a new 16:9 SD project and add a title that takes up the whole width

save and close

open the project again, how wide is the title?

[Khoi Pham]

It sure did screw up with SD project, I'm working with all HD project and it does not screw up, sorry that you waste alot of your time, hopefully this will be fix soon for you, and I hope they won't brake the HD while fixing the SD.

[Bluetongue]

It sure did screw up with SD project, I'm working with all HD project and it does not screw up, sorry that you waste alot of your time, hopefully this will be fix soon for you, and I hope they won't brake the HD while fixing the SD.

I can only concur with Khoi, I also only work in HD and then export from the HD time line to SD DVD and all my titles remain correct, if I change the project to SD before exporting then all **** breaks loose with the titles.
Regards Barry

[tingsern]

Same for me ... I just finished my Nepal monasteries documentary. All done in HD. In there are 60+ TMPro titles as well. All in 16:9 format. Export to SD - authored to DVD. Played back - no problems. So long as the project remains in HD - everything is fine.

[shueardm]

That workaround shouldn't be required though- Anton doesn't want to work in HD. It's a sad situation that TMP integration is broken as many times as it's fixed.

[virgil21]

Titles problem here too

I am "only" doing PAL 4:3 SD and until last night I had no problems making test DVDs of this 22 minute project which has only four TMP titles in it.

Then suddenly last night on playing back the latest test DVD the titles appeared slightly squashed inwards and then almost immediately sprung outwards again to their proper size. I don't know why this started as only minor amendments were being made between each test DVD, the project being almost at lock-down stage. My feeling is that it might be a rendering issue, as on a previous test the last few shots of the programme which included a caption just appeared as black.

For safety, I now delete all files in the Rendering folder before outputting anything. BTW, I am using Procoder Express for these test DVDs. I move to TMPGEnc4 for the final cut.

As today is my deadline, for speed/safety I rendered out the captioned shots to HQ and added to the timeline. However, on the first render of the first caption (bottom third) the squash/unsquash re-occurred. I scrubbed and rendered again and it was fine the second time.

So, I don't see it as being solely a 16:9 issue.

[Jerry]

That workaround shouldn't be required though- Anton doesn't want to work in HD. It's a sad situation that TMP integration is broken as many times as it's fixed.

All the more reason for GV/Canopus to create an 'uber' titler for Edius, other than quicktitler. With everything for Edius being proprietary, why not a titler. It just seems natural to integrate within existing parameters. At least it can get worked on 'sooner' than 'later.'

[pjsssss]

There are some updates coming out for TMP with the 4.6 update.

[antonsvideo]

There are some updates coming out for TMP with the 4.6 update.

great news

[Bluetongue]

I do not know how far back everyone goes but in the good old days of Premier 6 Title Motion Pro came out as part of the package and gave all the same problems and was really frustrating, it appears nothing has changed!
I stopped using TMP which was a pity as it had some good points, I am thankful my version of Edius came without it from the problems every one is having.
I don't think this is an Edius problem it has been around tooo long. Perhaps GV need to put pressure on Inscriber or open up the title entry for Edius like Premier did for Audio editors and Titlers?
Regards Barry

[JohnnyD]

It's a Edius problem. I never had these problems in the old SpeedRazor or Incite systems.
Also, the TMP 16:9 problem doesn't exist in 3.61. TMP is really a pretty good program, but in all of my editing
systems from day one, TM will be the first to cause a freeze or error.

JD

[biopic]

It's a Edius problem.

Well actually I'm pretty sure it's both. Certainly the latest versions of Edius are starting to throw up errors with TM that we did not have before. However TM has always been quirky and not particularly well-behaved - even in Speed Razor and DPS (then Leitch, then Harris) Velocity. So I suspect that the changes to Edius are simply aggrevating problems which might otherwise lie dormant in TM.

I serously doubt that Inscriber (also now owned by Harris) is at all bothered about fixing TM. They won't do it for Velocity so why should they do it for Edius?

Clearly the way ahead should be for GV to develop their own, possibly building on the foundations of Quick Titler, or for them to collaborate in opening up titling to a third party plug-in.

[muleferg]

n the good old days of Premier 6 Title Motion Pro came out as part of the package and gave all the same problems and was really frustrating, it appears nothing has changed!

After my Video Toaster Flyer. went dead I started with 6.0 Premier and loved TMP. Then Adobe upgraded to a better Titler It was wonderfull. I do DVCHDPro and have only a couple times had the shrink.. It does get a little frustrated sometimes.
4.6 ? The $64?

Old Timer
Mule Ferguson
Vic20
Commodore 64
Amiga Toaster
AmigaToaster Flyer
Speed Edit
Adobe 6.0/2.0
FCP
Edius Broadcast