Motherboard Question

[STORMDAVE]

Yes I agree. But people who do think like this never upgrade and also waiting for the next best thing, which never ends. :) Myself, I just draw the line when a upgrade is needed and never look back. Just like I bought my 24" DELL LCD, just love this monitor. I had a friend come over to check out my system and tells me if I waited to get the 24" I would of saved about half the cost. I told him was no way I would wait, if I need it I get it and never look back.

You can never get ahead of the game. The whole point to upgrading is to improve system performance and reduce render times. The longer you upgrade between system the greater the system performance from your last system. Generally upgrading a single-CPU system every 2 to 3 years should double in performance.

...Angelo

Very true. I did wait a while and I think it was perfect (somewhat) timing for me too. The system paid for itself over and over. Productivity has increased by tenfold.

Edius makes it possible to have projects come in and go out very quickly.

[Angelo]

Hehehe

Seriously though, any electronics device that you buy, it becomes obsolete once it's out of the store. Sad, but oh well :)

Yes I agree. But people who do think like this never upgrade and also waiting for the next best thing, which never ends. :) Myself, I just draw the line when a upgrade is needed and never look back. Just like I bought my 24" DELL LCD, just love this monitor. I had a friend come over to check out my system and tells me if I waited to get the 24" I would of saved about half the cost. I told him was no way I would wait, if I need it I get it and never look back.

You can never get ahead of the game. The whole point to upgrading is to improve system performance and reduce render times. The longer you upgrade between system the greater the system performance from your last system. Generally upgrading a single-CPU system every 2 to 3 years should double in performance.

...Angelo

[EasternSP]

As far as Opterons being old school, I don't think the MPEG render time is going to be to far behind the latest CPUs. For the cost difference, unless you are a business that needs those few extra minutes cut on a one hour render, you would be just as well to maybe stick with the old school.

[STORMDAVE]

But so are PC's aren't they Dave? LOL

Hehehe

Seriously though, any electronics device that you buy, it becomes obsolete once it's out of the store. Sad, but oh well :)

[shueardm]

Opterons are old school though...

But so are PC's aren't they Dave? LOL

[STORMDAVE]

The thunder K8WE dual proc mobo goes for about $350 and the Opteron 280 chips are less than $300 each. Makes one fast machine for Edius.

Opterons are old school though...

[Angelo]

Is there a motherboard that will accept to Core2Quad proccessors that is not a server motherboard? I want to use Core2Quads and not Xeons. I know some have built dual Quad systems here but I am wondering if they are Xeon or Core2 processors.

Thanks,

I have motherboard REV:1.0 of the Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 with the Intel Quad-Core [email protected] running rock-solid!

...Angelo

[EasternSP]

The thunder K8WE dual proc mobo goes for about $350 and the Opteron 280 chips are less than $300 each. Makes one fast machine for Edius.

[Philip]

The new 45nm C2Quad is plenty fast. Just a suggestion, if I were you I'd rather invest in storage and other stuff :)

Hope this helps.

That's where I'm heading....it never hurts to dream though. My other corp event business just built out a C2D E6600 and it just blows my AMD x2 4800 away in Edius. It can deal with HDV about as good as my AMD does HQ. Very impressive. I am planning to build a C2Q system that is a Small Form Factor (similar to the Shuttle) and use external storage via eSATA for data and video files. It should do me well but I always like to check the feasibility of dream machines before commiting to something.

BTW...I have invested in lots of storage already. Most of my work (events like weddings) need about 250-300gb storage in HQ codec. I have an external eSATA 500gb drive for working and a second eSATA for backup so that is 1TB of drives for each project. Currently I have 4 of these setups and figure I have enough for awhile and can now build out the updated system with the money people are paying for the HD edits.

[STORMDAVE]

The new 45nm C2Quad is plenty fast. Just a suggestion, if I were you I'd rather invest in storage and other stuff :)

Hope this helps.

By the way, if you go Xeons, you're looking at $1,200 per processor, motherboards are about $500, RAM (Still FB-DIMM with 45nm Xeons, I think) are very expensive as well.

Also with server mobos, it doesn't have as many PCIe slots as regular consumer ones.

[Philip]

What do you plan to do? If it's mostly editing, then the new Core 2 Duo Quad (forgot the model name) is more than enough, imo. If I were building a PC right now only for EDIUS, I would grab a C2D Quad CPU and an Asus mobo with 4GB of RAM.

I have a fast machine because I need it for After Effects work...and AE uses all 8 cores (each at 3.0Ghz)

I'm pretty much planning on mostly editing with a small amount of AE. I know the dual Quad would be overkill but at somepoint these NLE's will utilize them all and I have a feeling it will be soon. We can always dream can't we. Right now I am planning a C2Q build but wanted to make sure the dually version wasn't possible.

[STORMDAVE]

That is what I was hoping. I was looking to build early next year and thought why not add the ability if possible. I do want to use 2 x Core2 CPUs.

In that case, that is physically impossible. Xeon chips and Core 2 Duo chips use completely different sockets (771 vs 775).

Also, there is no way to use 2 x Core 2 Duo chips because C2D does not support multiple physical processors. This is why the Xeon line is so expensive, it supports dual physical chips.

You can however buy 1 Xeon chip with a dual CPU motherboard, and add a second CPU later....but I don't really recommend that.

What do you plan to do? If it's mostly editing, then the new Core 2 Duo Quad (forgot the model name) is more than enough, imo. If I were building a PC right now only for EDIUS, I would grab a C2D Quad CPU and an Asus mobo with 4GB of RAM.

I have a fast machine because I need it for After Effects work...and AE uses all 8 cores (each at 3.0Ghz)

[Philip]

I think he is asking if he can use 2 x Core2 CPU's and no, that's not possible.

That is what I was hoping. I was looking to build early next year and thought why not add the ability if possible. I do want to use 2 x Core2 CPUs.

[shueardm]

I think he is asking if he can use 2 x Core2 CPU's and no, that's not possible.

[STORMDAVE]

Is there a motherboard that will accept to Core2Quad proccessors that is not a server motherboard? I want to use Core2Quads and not Xeons. I know some have built dual Quad systems here but I am wondering if they are Xeon or Core2 processors.

Thanks,

Core 2 Duo line is a consumer line, there are plenty of mobos available for C2D processors :)

C2D is Socket 775

Xeons are server/workstation CPU's for Socket 771, the motherboards in this lines are much more expensive than C2D motherboards. Also the chipsets are very different between Server and Consumer motherboards.

Also usually when people buy or build Xeon workstations, they usually get 2 processors (physical) because Server workstations usually have 2 physical processors. Core 2 Duo line only allows 1 physical processors with unlimited cores.
I would get an Asus motherboard if I was building a Core 2 Duo (Q series Quad Core C2D). Check Jerry's signature, he has a very recent motherboard.