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  • MP4 White & Super White Issue

    Hi there,

    I found an issue with Edius when importing some mp4 videos.
    Edius interprets them as "superwhite", which is wrong, and there is no way to change that.

    I attached two caps :
    1) One is with the mp4 file directly imported in edius.
    2) The other is an export of the mp4 from Resolve.

    Is that a known issue ?
    If so, what can we do to force Edius to see the right Range ?

    Thanks
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  • #2
    And sadly you can't adjust "white" "superwhite" in file properties manually for most video formats for no reason!
    If Edius doesn't recognize the color space correctly, you can't correct it easily by switching the color space, because it's greyed out mostly.

    Andreas
    Andreas Gumm
    post production / authoring
    PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
    ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
    Windows 7 Ultimate,
    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
    GV hardware: 3G Storm
    software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
    PC 2
    Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
    Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
    GV hardware: HD SPARK
    software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Andreas_Gumm
      And sadly you can't adjust "white" "superwhite" in file properties manually for most video formats for no reason!
      If Edius doesn't recognize the color space correctly, you can't correct it easily by switching the color space, because it's greyed out mostly.

      Andreas
      I remember (long time ago) when it was not greyed out. It worked and was much used, especially when DLSR's arrived for video. Now the YUV curve is needed to correct for such mismatches.
      Claire

      Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Claire
        I remember (long time ago) when it was not greyed out. It worked and was much used, especially when DLSR's arrived for video. Now the YUV curve is needed to correct for such mismatches.
        Yes, and I felt more comfortable and save with that option because I didn't have a doubt of being precise.
        It's totally different compared to the way of manipulating curves manually now, even when I save a
        preset of that curve.

        Andreas
        Andreas Gumm
        post production / authoring
        PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
        ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
        Windows 7 Ultimate,
        GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
        GV hardware: 3G Storm
        software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
        PC 2
        Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
        Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
        GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
        GV hardware: HD SPARK
        software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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        • #5
          I really disappointed hearing that there more issues with codecs being used properly with in Edius. Can we see improvements in the future?

          Can we make a list of what codecs work properly and which ones don't work properly in Edius? And show the engineers.

          Thanks
          Chris
          Proud user of EDIUS!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Claire
            I remember (long time ago) when it was not greyed out. It worked and was much used, especially when DLSR's arrived for video. Now the YUV curve is needed to correct for such mismatches.
            There is three ways to correct it :

            1) Adjust black and white levels with YUV curve filter (B16 - W234)

            2) Adjust contrast and luminance with color balance filter.

            3) Adjust Lift and Gain in the new primary correction tool.

            1) and 2) are wrong, because they only adjust luma, and no chrominance.
            3) is ok, but not perfect.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by frenshprince
              There is three ways to correct it :

              1) Adjust black and white levels with YUV curve filter (B16 - W234)

              2) Adjust contrast and luminance with color balance filter.

              3) Adjust Lift and Gain in the new primary correction tool.

              1) and 2) are wrong, because they only adjust luma, and no chrominance.
              3) is ok, but not perfect.
              With the new primary color correction tool you can do all of the above (bold marked).
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              • #8
                I would prefer to conform the clips by the intended switch.
                No one needs a switch when it's greyed out even if correction is needed.

                Andreas
                Andreas Gumm
                post production / authoring
                PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
                ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
                Windows 7 Ultimate,
                GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
                GV hardware: 3G Storm
                software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
                PC 2
                Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
                Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
                GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
                GV hardware: HD SPARK
                software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Andreas_Gumm
                  I would prefer to conform the clips by the intended switch.
                  No one needs a switch when it's greyed out even if correction is needed.

                  Andreas
                  I tried in Premiere CC, and it's the same.
                  Bad interpetation of the range.
                  And I didn't see a way to change it, without manually adjusting levels.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by frenshprince
                    I tried in Premiere CC, and it's the same.
                    Bad interpetation of the range.
                    And I didn't see a way to change it, without manually adjusting levels.
                    Wrong recognition can happen and it has to be expected sometimes!
                    I just complain about the greyed out status of the field that could help to correct fast!

                    Andreas
                    Andreas Gumm
                    post production / authoring
                    PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
                    ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
                    Windows 7 Ultimate,
                    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
                    GV hardware: 3G Storm
                    software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
                    PC 2
                    Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
                    Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
                    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
                    GV hardware: HD SPARK
                    software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Andreas_Gumm
                      Wrong recognition can happen and it has to be expected sometimes!
                      I just complain about the greyed out status of the field that could help to correct fast!

                      Andreas
                      I agree, but what I mean is, that premiere doesn't have a way to change it either.
                      Resolve does.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by frenshprince
                        I agree, but what I mean is, that premiere doesn't have a way to change it either.
                        Resolve does.
                        No matter what Premiere does,
                        Edius has a switch that that does not work for most video files. ;)

                        Andreas
                        Andreas Gumm
                        post production / authoring
                        PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
                        ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
                        Windows 7 Ultimate,
                        GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
                        GV hardware: 3G Storm
                        software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
                        PC 2
                        Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
                        Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
                        GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
                        GV hardware: HD SPARK
                        software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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                        • #13
                          Do you know a way to change flag of a MP4/move file without rencode ?

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                          • #14
                            After spending time on this issue, I don't think Edius is faulty on this.

                            Those mp4 files recorded with a sony Nex6 and an Actioncam don't have standard levels.
                            They're not 16-235 or 0-255, but 16-255.
                            No wonder that Edius or Premiere can not interpret them right.
                            Even in Resolve, if you interpret them as legal range, they're being seen at 32-235.

                            I also have GoPro mp4 files, and the are perfectly interpreted at 16-235 in Edius.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by More4K
                              16-255 is definitely a strange thing and should be banned :)
                              This doesn't change the fact that Edius can't interpret properly 0-255 h264s.
                              For the upcoming 10bit UHD age 16..235 will be the strange thing maybe, since new units seems to be not limited to the legal range any more. :)

                              Fact is, that I have pointed to this behaviour a year ago in the German forum base on GH4 footage and this behaviour could be shown with test patterns in clear way. But nothing was done. Other tools like Vegas does not show that behaviour with mp4. So not every tool has this bug.

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