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    Something I never noticed before is that when I set up a new project, the default rendering format is Canopus HQ. This is fine for a HD project, but my question is, in a SD project would it be better to make the rendering format DV AVI?

    Or does it not make a difference?
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  • #2
    YEP
    DV AVI is the order of the day for SD.
    The greatest thing about EDIUS is that when you want to go HD the process should be painless
    Regards Barry
    Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
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    • #3
      I use HQ as the rendering format for SD, it is larger file size than DV but far better render quality

      in fact, HQ is perfect for anything EDIUS, HD or SD
      Anton Strauss
      Antons Video Productions - Sydney

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      • #4
        Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
        in fact, HQ is perfect for anything EDIUS, HD or SD
        Thats good to Know, never thought of trying it
        Regards Barry
        Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
        GB GA-X58A-UD3R MB, i7 [email protected], 12G 1600mhz Mem, Samsung EVO-250G SSD, 3x2T RAID, GTX 970W OC, 2x24 inch LG Monitors
        Canon XH-A1/ Canon HF-G30, GoPro Hero3 Black, Edit @1920 50p HQ preset

        https://vimeo.com/user2157719/videos
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        • #5
          try it, you will be impressed (especially when using rich colour) (color for USA)
          Anton Strauss
          Antons Video Productions - Sydney

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          • #6
            Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
            I use HQ as the rendering format for SD, it is larger file size than DV but far better render quality

            in fact, HQ is perfect for anything EDIUS, HD or SD

            This is very true... I have been using HQ for SD since it could support it!

            Not only that but it has Alpha support so you can save a Alpha Channel with it:)


            Mike

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            • #7
              Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
              I use HQ as the rendering format for SD...
              I wonder am I mis-understanding something here?

              When I finally come to make a DVD, I delete all the render files and get Procoder (Express) to output and render afresh. That output has to be MPEG for DVD so I assume that rendering SD footage using Canopus HQ is irrelevant in that case.

              However, would it be worthwhile to render with Canopus HQ and not delete the files but let Procoder convert from the HQ rendered files to MPEG?
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              • #8
                I also use Canopus HQ even on DV projects. If you re-render a specific area (which I rarely do) Canopus HQ keeps the quality fresh and it doesn't have to re-render to DV again, which is considered a generational loss.

                If you delete your render files, then go to MPEG2, then you're not losing anything. Rendering an area on the timeline just lets you play that area, if your computer can't handle it. You don't have to delete the rendered files, if you use Canopus HQ. The quality is pretty high, and it is only a little big bigger in side than DV.

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                • #9
                  There is another reason to use Canopus HQ and HD settings, even when exporting to SD for DVD. Try by creating the same title (use plain text) with QuickTitler in two different project settings, for example Full HD (1920x1080) and SD (720x576 or 720x480), and export each to SD with DVD settings. Take a frame grab from the resulting video and you will notice the difference.

                  NB: QuickTitler automatically shows you the resolution it is working in, based on the project settings.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by STORMDAVE View Post
                    Rendering an area on the timeline just lets you play that area, if your computer can't handle it. You don't have to delete the rendered files, if you use Canopus HQ.
                    OK, I have rendered using HQ and it does look better on the output monitor. But that's only playback to achieve RT output, as you say.

                    But the answer still remains unclear to me.

                    If I am now rendering the timeline in HQ, when it comes to coding for the DVD, does Procoder Express render from the HQ files (if undeleted) or from the timeline afresh, that is from the original captured DV encoded files?

                    If it is the latter, then using HQ only provides a "prettier" monitoring output - which in fact could be misleading. Anyway, at that stage only a test DVD will provide the "true" answer.

                    Still, I like to be as aware as possible about what's going on at each stage of the workflow and it would be nice to think/know that rendering to HQ will provide a better quality final output.
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                    • #11
                      lets make it clear to understand

                      to avoid quality loss for DVD, export timeline to a new HQ file and then use ProCoder in standalone mode (faster than export from timeline)

                      to avoid quality loss for renders, use HQ as rendering format

                      to see what I am talking about, try this test:

                      place this file on timeline and make it a few seconds
                      http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...HQ-DV-test.tga
                      (I made this image to provide a stark contrast and diagonal lines, a great test for any codec)

                      export to DV AVI and then look at the bad quality now

                      export to HQ and then look at the excellent quality, the same as the original

                      NOW, tell me you use HQ from now on :)
                      Anton Strauss
                      Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                      EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                      • #12
                        Just to get it straight, Anton, are you talking about a project which has actually been shot in DV, or a project that has been shot in HDV? I mean are you outputting a 720x576 timeline at 1440x1080 and then converting it back in Procoder 3 to 720x576 MPEG2 for DVD? Or was your material 1440x1080 to start off with?
                        Desktop: Intel Vernonia-R Server Board, dual Xeon 5420 2.5Ghz (8 cores), Vista Ultimate 64 Bit, 12 GB RAM, NVidia 9800Gt 512MB graphics, 320 GB system drive, 2x1TB Seagate editing drives (not in RAID), 30 inch HP monitor.

                        Laptop: Toshiba Portege R700 2.66 Ghz cpu, 4GB RAM, 500GB hard drive

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rsn108 View Post
                          Just to get it straight, Anton, are you talking about a project which has actually been shot in DV, or a project that has been shot in HDV? I mean are you outputting a 720x576 timeline at 1440x1080 and then converting it back in Procoder 3 to 720x576 MPEG2 for DVD? Or was your material 1440x1080 to start off with?
                          shot in DVCAM or DV at 720x576 Pal output to 720x576 HQ and then encoded

                          the HQ codec can be used for standard def and high def, it is just a better codec than DV
                          Anton Strauss
                          Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                          EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                            ...NOW, tell me you use HQ from now on :)
                            I've done the test,
                            And I agree with you,
                            I'll always render
                            Using codec HQ!
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