Export Quality vs Premiere

[omidsolo]

Hi,
Just show a HDR video using Canon 5D Mark III in FHD and the output is brilliant!
Edius has a problem in general: reduce export quality noticeable!
I import that recorded video in Edius 7.5 and just select it without any effect and export.
Quality is reduced in compare with Adobe Premiere export quality!
I tried Bluray exporter and even uncompressed avi or some others, same!
What's the trick?!
Thanks.

[Andreas_Gumm]

As far as I know HDR is actually unsupported in Edius! It would need more support for more
extended color spaces such as rec.2020. In general it is always better if you describe what
formats & what parameters you have choosen on export. May you did something wrong on
export & nobody can see that point. If you use GrassValley-HQX-QT or -AVI flavour on export
you wouldn't see any noticeable reduced quality if color space transformation is not an issue.

MP4 in Edius (simple one-pass encoder) is another story. It does not much efficient encoding,
the quality can appear poor on fast motion & lower nominal export bitrates. Forget the MP4
encoder in Edius (sorry to say) and use one of the many X264-based one of the freeware
community, such as Handbrake.

Andreas

[Jerry]

From Adobe:

The November 2015 release of Premiere Pro CC delivers UltraHD and HDR format support, powerful slow-motion capabilities, improved integration with CC libraries and Adobe Stock, enhanced touch capabilities, and many other features that help you create compelling video content.

[Jerry]

I hope Dolby HDR gets the nod. Once broadcast gets involved standards will have to be solidified. After that happens manufacturers will have to conform.
Especially, here in the US.

[Jerry]

Here are the tools for HDR in Premiere.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsn4...33268693358004

[Jerry]

This is CC 2015.1 which is available now.

[Jerry]

I have it.

[Andreas_Gumm]

With whole Dolby reputation it's still not enough to rule market, as to many companies (with much bigger pockets) are involved.

Dolby is known for their "license to print money" without giving a real value!
Dolby often makes things more complicated in the workflow. And for sure we
wouldn't have any free tool for dcinema if Dolby would take any role of the spec.
Dolby created Atmos to find their way back to the cinema workflows. So they can
send their consultants again to the audio facilities, having the magic black measuring
box in their bag to give it a reason to can collect tons of money from every single
participant.

Andreas

[Liverpool TV]

Until 4K/UHD has a proper global delivery standard, like DVD and Blu-Ray did. I doubt very much we will see HDR. Without a domestic market and playback equipment to sell something into, certain technologies won't be introduced.

Although HDR isn't necessarily mutual to 4K/UHD/2020. We still haven't seen any of these technologies take a grip. In fact. We should already have seen 4K/2020 being a something, look back at posts on this forum with regard the subject, well over a year ago. Aside from maybe Japan, UHDBR hasn't been released, let alone done anything, or at least I can't go down to Asda buy one and pick up some discs. And I'm still yet to see a 2020 TV.

Even if/when the tech and software become a global domestic reality, it won't rival anything that's preceded it. At least from the perspective of it's speed of penetration.

So, without a basic technical platform to deliver into that encompasses new standards. It's difficult to see any further standards or technologies being introduced that haven't already been accounted for in any new platform, any time soon.

All things being said, HDR would be a great option if it were able to be fully exploited by the end user. But will it ever see the light of day, outside of maybe cinema?

[Jerry]

The Vizio Reference sets have Dolby HDR and 2020 WCG.

This was posted by a reviewer:
The Reference is a 120 Hz, 384-zone FALD LCD that supports Dolby Vision HDR. Available in two sizes—65" and 120"—it features
an expanded color gamut that fully encompasses the DCI-P3 specification and covers 70% of the BT.2020 gamut.

The sets don't have HDMI 2.0a, but can be updated to it.
Until then, HDR content that isn't Dolby HDR(doesn't require HDMI 2.0)
will be handled as regular content.

[GrassValley_PS]

Guys we are way OT. Please get back to OP question and take this other to the
Lounge.

[Liverpool TV]

Getting back OT.

Edius doesn't support it. But then again, does anything?

I could be wrong, but are there any standards for it, for instance by SMPTE or any other governing body?

Are there really any quantifiable standards by anyone, and not just one manufacturers take on it?

I only ask as nothing immediately springs to mind. There are of course certain stills implementations, although these appear to be bespoke/proprietary, I don't know of any video ones, even bespoke ones. That's not to exclude Dolby, but I don't see that as being anything but proprietary.

In a similar way there was a bit of land rush between Dolby and DTS, over multichannel audio. Will it be the same for any type of HDR? With so many different manufacturers fragmenting the market with their proprietary technologies, I can't see any agreement for HDR. And by definition, no standrad.

Even HFR, which is a lot easier to produce than HDR, doesn't have any real market presence, regardless of what Hollywood would like to have us think. In fact. 50/60p has been a standard for some time now, how many people own a 50/60p blu-Ray?

Maybe the short answer is that there is nothing that supports the production of HDR video.

For my two pence worth. As much as these topics are interesting, people should really concentrate on proper standards. And if that means 1080 rec709, so be it.

[dpalomaki]

To take a very pragmatic view - what does the paying customer want us to deliver?

How long will it take to ramp-up to HDR (or what ever is next) once the paying customers create a demand for that format.

[David Clarke]

Looking at the original post I would have to say in what way is the quality reduced? Is it colour, details, artifacts? What are the project settings, video formats etc? It could be something to do with HDR, but could just be wrong settings but without knowing exactly what the problem is we can't properly judge can we?

[omidsolo]

Looking at the original post I would have to say in what way is the quality reduced?

Hey, thanks for asking, mostly overall quality, details and also a little colors, as far as I remember, I moved to Premiere long time ago, I loved Edius for its simple UI, but unfortunately it was far behind...
Forget about HDR, just take a short FHD movie with your DSLR and import, mark, export, compare!
Settings? Select anything you want!
Note than I didn't test Edius 8 or 9, don't know if it's better now?!