8.1 GUI comments

[antonsvideo]

your waveforms are switched to log display, it is much better with linear

[GrassValley_PS]

Thanks Bern. Are you in log or linear in EDIUS?

[BernH]

Thanks Bern. Are you in log or linear in EDIUS?

I am in log. I started using log as a workaround for not having detail in the waveform since the higher waveform makes it a little easier to spot problems in quiet areas. I am not so concerned with the vertical height of the waveform, as in the ability to see some detail in it.

Just for clarification, I am attaching a screenshot in linear mode here, taken at the same place in time in the same clip. As you will see the waveforms are lower, but there is still no detail temporally. You can't see any instantaneous peaks like you can in the other NLE screenshots I submitted. If you have an odd click or pop in the audio, you still can't see it, regardless of being in log or linear.

I don't expect Edius to look exactly like Liquid or exactly like Premiere, etc. Each one show the waveforms a little differently, but it would be nice if there was detail there. It would make doing simple audio edits in Edius a lot easier.

[SoundFreak_HD]

None of them are as good as an actual DAW software for detail.

Why would it be unfair to compare to a DAW software.

Just because competitors don't have a a DAW like wav display doesn't mean Edius can't have it.

Why aim to be like competitors only, I would ask; why not aim higher than competitors.

If true efforts are being spend to enhance the color of the GUI why not change the way the wav form looks like in the same process .......

Will post some screen shots later for reference of a DAW wav once I'm back to the office.

Would like for others to do the same as the more GOOD examples we have the easier it will be to achieve a good wav view (and maybe GUI) for Edius.

[BernH]

Why would it be unfair to compare to a DAW software.

Just because competitors don't have a a DAW like wav display doesn't mean Edius can't have it.

Why aim to be like competitors only, I would ask; why not aim higher than competitors.

If true efforts are being spend to enhance the color of the GUI why not change the way the wav form looks like in the same process .......

Will post some screen shots later for reference of a DAW wav once I'm back to the office.

Would like for others to do the same as the more GOOD examples we have the easier it will be to achieve a good wav view (and maybe GUI) for Edius.

I only said it would be unfair as it would not be an apples to apples comparison with three of the four NLE systems I posted. Premiere does have an audio sample mode for it's timeline that allows you to edit and shift audio by milliseconds. As far as I am aware, it is the only NLE to have such a useful feature. I use it for fine tuning A/V sync sometimes if I happen to get audio sources that drift over time. It's pretty easy to line up one end and time stretch the other end to put things back in perfect sync. It's probably the only reason I have an old version of premiere on my system.

If the engineers wanted to implement sub-frame/audio sample control and accuracy, I wouldn't complain, but better audio waveforms would also be required to do that.

[GrassValley_PS]

Thank You Bern. I thought Linear would be a more fair comparison. That does give the best waveform detail in EDIUS (we all would like it to be better).

[SoundFreak_HD]

Not trying to change Edius in a DAW here but with these waves I can look at for hours in a row.

While this version of Wavelab (6) is a bit dated, its very capable software which even allows for re-drawing of individual samples within the wav display using you Mouse or Wacom pen.

We don't need to zoom until the millisecond either but at present Edius is far from perfect or even good at audio.

[Captain]

Once we are talking about the display of waveforms: is it stated as a feature request already to see the waveform of an audio-only file in the preview window?

Adobe Premiere does this when you import .wav, .mp3 or other audio formats and drag them into the preview window. You can see much more detail at once without having to expand the timeline track (and you don't even need to place it in the timeline).

I am talking about what is marked with "A" in the screenshot

https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/whats-new-7-0/_jcr_content/main-pars/image_4.img.png/PremeierePro_UI.png

(I could not make and post a screenshot of my own, that's why I did a google image search. Hopefully the link works for you.)

This would be extremely helpful for editors who are used to the technique of "seeing" audio:
- if you have lots of music files for a project and need to chose one of them. In a big waveform preview you can see dynamics very well and shuttle through the music file quickly to scan for suitable parts.
- if you have a separate long audio recording, e.g. from a speech or concert, you could scan through for identifying what "must be the third or fourth track of the event", as some clients sometimes say.

[SoundFreak_HD]

Dat would be fantastic. .......

[Andreas_Gumm]

Dat would be fantastic. .......

I second that!
Another annoying thing is the missed presence of the waveform in nested sequences, which is urgently needed.

Andreas

[GrassValley_PS]

Yes it has been requested. You can pretty much rest assured that all of the normal things have been requested.

[Ron Evans]

These are a few screen shots of the same waveform in EDIUS 7.5 and Vegas12. I tried to get the first two close and they are very similar. The difference is in Vegas the height of the track is fully variable and the waveform can be zoomed in to audio lock level. Very handy for just drawing out a click etc.

Ron Evans

[lotn]

I don't know if these are normal things already requested. Anyway, here are my inputs:

• review the UI palette to add more contrast (sliders, etc...) to compensate the lack of 3D pseudo relief that has been lost with the adoption of Modern UI style.
• review buttons masks, the blue plane overlay looks like some proof of concept. There are ways to swap pixmaps.
• the zoom slider position is quite unusual. In other apps, it is mostly seen in the bottom of the window or canvas.
• adopt the double-click sets to default value paradigm for filters params, sliders, etc...
• the bin should allow three distinct levels of zoom for the veiw that include vignettes. Not the same use for those three, thus not the same magnification need.
• left click and drag on the TL ruler should allow horizontal scroll of the TL, like does alt+MB2 when the pointer is on tracks.
• recall defaults for audio mixer.
• fix dynamic range display issue with loudness meter when in EBU mode.
• in the TL, review mouse wheel events callback to zoom in. something like:

1. ctrl modifier horizontal zoom, actually no change
2. shift modifier => vertical zoom in/out of whole TL (ie all tracks)
3. alt modifier => vertical zoom of selected track

• when zooming in TL horizontally, make display to be adjusted on center defined by play head position.
• fix in/out overlay on tracks: becomes invisible with selected clips
• design a generic docking system allowing to dock scopes, etc...
• allow multiple docks on separate windows.
• review filters slider button shape: too small
• allow different colors for markers.
• mouse wheel in TL without modifer: why, oh why must we turn the wheel backward to make the cursor go forward ??? This stills bugs me...

For the audio alignment, we already have a way to set offset with sample level accuracy and almost all has been said on the waveform display. What would be very useful when having to sync drifted audio is to add Elastique Pro: stretching audio without pitch shift



Browser:

• make the GV browser to use the UI color settings, not the hard coded default.
• Menu bar could be a bit lighter. there is a visual perception problem with black desktop when running not maximized.
• same remark as for EDIUS for the zoom slider
• add ctrl + mouse wheel binding and callback for zoom in/out of vignettes.
• in thumbnail mode, automatic zoom on hover is not activated, why ?
• edit of filter criteria for catalog is cumbersome and limited to logical AND: this AND that AND also this AND that too. This could be a tree in left pane and allow alternative (OR) and negate (NOT).
• Include user tags in the above tree.
• make the drop down button for list view also a cycling button and possibly relocated on left.

Attached pics:


- IN/OUT zone when clip not selected
- same when clip selected
- IN/OUT selection zone always visible as transparent color overlay

[Alter Ego]

Bin Contrast - Used Clips On Timeline

A selected clip in the bin is difficult to see. There isn't enough contrast when you have many clips. Also I think someone already mentioned the green dot for clips used on the timeline.

[lotn]

I really like GV browser but the filter editing in another asset management tool could give some ideas:

- select all video clips where location is Alaska AND shooted wide
- select al video clips where location is Alaska OR shooted wide
- select all video clips whete locations is NOT Alaska and NOT shooted wide