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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jerry View Post
    It took almost five hours for Encore to transcode over an hour of HQ footage to MPEG2-HD, which isn't bad compared to render times for more compressed HD formats.
    Jerry, I am sure that you have tried the same encoding to MPEG2HD in other programs such as ProCoder Express or maybe ProCoder 3, where either of these faster at encoding one hour worth of material? Does it matter what format the media on the timeline is? Does ProCoder Express encode one hour of .mts, HQ, Lossless at different speeds? I guess what I am looking for is a way to make the process a bit more efficient. A half hour here and there add up at the end.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by gdame View Post
      Jerry, I am sure that you have tried the same encoding to MPEG2HD in other programs such as ProCoder Express or maybe ProCoder 3, where either of these faster at encoding one hour worth of material? Does it matter what format the media on the timeline is? Does ProCoder Express encode one hour of .mts, HQ, Lossless at different speeds? I guess what I am looking for is a way to make the process a bit more efficient. A half hour here and there add up at the end.

      George Dame
      Hey George,

      The easiest way to put it is start the encoding and walk away. If you are using HD files going to HD you are in for the day, especially if you are using only one machine.

      I don't use Procoder Express because of the non-mastering setting. I prefer PC3 over Sorenson Squeeze 4.5, I have both. I don't know your workflow so Procoder express would be faster than PC3 due to the mastering setting. Squeeze is fairly quick but softer than PC3 but has great presets.

      Encoding in Encore at the Highest setting in SD, HD, and H.264, takes about the same time as PC3. It seems to work fine with uncompressed files. HQ gives it a fit. But, as far as I can tell, the streaks and blobs do not transfer onto the disc. It is merely the Encore decoder/encoder not working well with Canopus codecs.

      If I need HQ or lossless, I just take it from the timeline and it is pretty quick.
      My media on the timeline consists of 8bit uncompressed 1920x1080, MJPEG 1920x1080, and HQ or Losseless 1440x1080. I work in 1920x1080 timelines and ususally spit out an uncompressed master for encodes on multiple machines and to store.
      As far as time, I can't really help you there. I have 3 machines to access across a network while editing. Encoding for SD is on one, Encoding for Bluray is on another and Authoring of the disc is on the last one. The network makes it all happen quite easily.

      The down and dirty, HD just takes a long time to encode.
      Jerry
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      • #18
        I dont think there is a quick return on investment. If you consider that a good BD project can take up to 20 hours in capture, export, author, burn to test disc and then burn to master- what is the price you would charge? Seriously what you want to get paid will not be paid by many people- trust me.


        I have to agree with Mark. I have made many Bluray discs, got paid.....not enough.
        The clients I have that prefer the bluray, now that Sony has put the firmware back in to play BDMV, use it at conventions. It really draws attention to their booth.
        An example of something I did recently was for Stuart Cove's for the DEMA (dive industy) convention. It amazed me to see Gates and Amphibico(underwater camera housing mfg) displaying really crapy video trying to sell camera housings....while Stuarts was pristine.
        The video also landed me another big account. Thats a by product to showing in HD.


        While all of that sounds nice and neat. It is quite time consuming. Preparing the data takes the time. After you have spent many hours edtiing you then have probably double that for encoding and authoring(depending on the extent of your menu structure).
        More than likely, you will not deliver on BD-RE. So, the final burn has to be perfect. I can get 25gb blanks for $11 a piece. Not a bad price...the same disc last November was $25...and it still is in CompUSA.
        I recently started burning for clients what I labled Bluray Lite. This is bluray at a lower bitrate on DVD-5's. The cost is considerably lower for the blank medea, and the quality is noticeably different. I am currently testing with
        the Encore H.264 encoder for DVD-5's. This should up the quality with a little less size.



        I guess what I am saying is just because it looks pretty and burns just like the DVD-5's, you are entering into territory that will not turn an immediate profit, if any, but will make your work look, depending on the product, really good or really bad. This is where you see the focus problems stare you back in the face.

        If you are ready to jump in, go for it. But, do not expect to sell these like hotcakes.
        Jerry
        Six Gill DV
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        Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
        http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


        Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
        Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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        • #19
          As far as I can tell, the Edius "Speed Encoder" is one of the fastest software options anywhere for rendering MPEG2-HD output - so if I could get the files that generates to work in Encore CS3 without transcoding I think I could save some production time. On the other hand, now that I know Encore can take Edius HQ files I like the idea of generating both HD and SD discs from the highest quality source material, so maybe working from HQ files isn't so bad. CS3 makes it a snap to set up your menus and then render Blu-ray, SD DVDs and Flash output from that one setup - which looks like a good way to save time for multiple distribution options.

          Regarding Blu-ray profitability, I know one videographer near me who sold $10K worth of HD/Blu-ray upgrades before he even had a functional way to burn Blu-ray discs. Another said his average wedding video fee is up almost $1000 this year based partly on his use of HD technology, but he's still defining his delivery options and is the one offering to pay me to burn his Blu-ray discs. Blu-ray can't guarantee you a profit but it's currently the most professional option for HD content delivery, so if you've spent $10K or so on new cameras and other HD gear why not pay a few hundred more for Blu-ray burners and discs to deliver HD goodness to custmers?
          Last edited by kwshaw1; 11-17-2007, 05:19 AM.
          Edius 6.5 on Lenovo W520 laptop: Intel Core i7-2720QM @2.2 GHz, Nvidia graphics card, 8GB RAM, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit. Canon Vixia HF-G10, three Sony HDV video cameras and one Canon 7D.

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          • #20
            Blu-ray burn speed update

            I reported earlier that my first Blu-ray burn took longer than I expected, but I have better news from doing a finalized BD-R disc: that went smoothly at ~1 GB per minute for a total burn time of 14 minutes for 13.3 GB of data, using a 2X Blu-ray disc. I think the first burn was slower because I was using a rewritable disc which had to be erased first, but even still that seemed slow compared the BD-R burn. In any case, the speed on the BD-R disc was about what I originally expected and suggests that 4X discs (when available) will take less than 15 minutes for a full 25 GB. Not bad compared to the burn times I get for regular DVDs...
            Edius 6.5 on Lenovo W520 laptop: Intel Core i7-2720QM @2.2 GHz, Nvidia graphics card, 8GB RAM, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit. Canon Vixia HF-G10, three Sony HDV video cameras and one Canon 7D.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by kwshaw1 View Post
              As far as I can tell, the Edius "Speed Encoder" is one of the fastest software options anywhere for rendering MPEG2-HD output - so if I could get the files that generates to work in Encore CS3 without transcoding I think I could save some production time. On the other hand, now that I know Encore can take Edius HQ files I like the idea of generating both HD and SD discs from the highest quality source material, so maybe working from HQ files isn't so bad. CS3 makes it a snap to set up your menus and then render Blu-ray, SD DVDs and Flash output from that one setup - which looks like a good way to save time for multiple distribution options.

              Regarding Blu-ray profitability, I know one videographer near me who sold $10K worth of HD/Blu-ray upgrades before he even had a functional way to burn Blu-ray discs. Another said his average wedding video fee is up almost $1000 this year based partly on his use of HD technology, but he's still defining his delivery options and is the one offering to pay me to burn his Blu-ray discs. Blu-ray can't guarantee you a profit but it's currently the most professional option for HD content delivery, so if you've spent $10K or so on new cameras and other HD gear why not pay a few hundred more for Blu-ray burners and discs to deliver HD goodness to custmers?

              1. My understanding of the Speed Encoder is a little different. Here is a blurb
              from the web page.
              The basic idea on which Speed Encoder for HDV is based is very simple. EDIUS Speed Encoder first divides the video data into blocks, then each CPU core encodes multiple blocks simultaneously. EDIUS Speed Encoder then reassembles all encoded video data blocks into the final long GOP MPEG-2 stream. This process dramatically reduces the total encoding time.
              I see it as not for MPEGHD but for MPEG transport output.

              2. I hope your friend can do well with the blurays. However, getting playback compatibility has been spotty at best. Now that Sony has included BDMV playback in recent firmware updates, it should help....at least from the Sony camp. I'm sure others will follow.
              Jerry
              Six Gill DV
              www.sgdvtutorials.com
              If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

              Vistitle YouTube Channel
              https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

              Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
              http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


              Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
              Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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              • #22
                Kevin.

                That Pioneer BDR-202 burns at 4x on 2x media in certain circumstances.

                If you use Encore to write to disc it will probably burn at 2x but if you output to volume and use the burn software that came with the drive, it will go at 4x- or is it the other way around. But certainly it looks like that last burn was 4x.

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