Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Mp4 vs 'movie clip' ?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Mp4 vs 'movie clip' ?

    Hi guys
    So I've finally made some time to properly file my client videos from the last 8 years into a proper organizational system, and I've realized I've kind of willy nilly been hanging onto AVI files and wasting space unnecessarily

    Some videos have already been in mpeg
    but I've noticed that half of them are mp4, and the other half show as 'movie clip' in Windows under file type

    What is the difference between these 2?

    Thanks

    Sky
    www.skysimonephotography.com
    www.skysimonefilm.com
    www.facebook.com/skysimonephoto





    Laptop:
    ASUS - 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - 1TB Hard Drive + 256GB SSD - Metal Star Gray
    Edius Pro 9 Windows 10

  • #2
    sounds like you have not setup windows correctly to see file extensions

    by default, Microsoft want to hide file extensions from users, they think this would confuse us, they think we are all babies
    Attached Files
    Anton Strauss
    Antons Video Productions - Sydney

    EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro 21H2

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
      sounds like you have not setup windows correctly to see file extensions

      by default, Microsoft want to hide file extensions from users, they think this would confuse us, they think we are all babies


      I am referring to the 'file type' column
      www.skysimonephotography.com
      www.skysimonefilm.com
      www.facebook.com/skysimonephoto





      Laptop:
      ASUS - 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - 1TB Hard Drive + 256GB SSD - Metal Star Gray
      Edius Pro 9 Windows 10

      Comment


      • #4
        Anton, where Windows has the columns, one column is the title, another is the file type, another is the size, another is the date and so fourth..

        The file type on some is .mp4
        and the file type on others is 'movie clip'
        What is the difference?

        - My apologize for confusing you with my wording.
        www.skysimonephotography.com
        www.skysimonefilm.com
        www.facebook.com/skysimonephoto





        Laptop:
        ASUS - 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - 1TB Hard Drive + 256GB SSD - Metal Star Gray
        Edius Pro 9 Windows 10

        Comment


        • #5
          what is the file extension of the ones that are referred to as movie clip? avi? mov?

          in any case, you can ignore these descriptions, what counts is the file extension, nothing else matters
          Anton Strauss
          Antons Video Productions - Sydney

          EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro 21H2

          Comment


          • #6
            It is probably down to which program is set as the default player for the program. If you click on the files that say movie file do they play in Media player? And the MP4s probably play in Quicktime? If so change the default for the MP4 files to be media player like the "movie files" and see if this description changes.

            But mainly like Anton says, if they playback ok then you can ignore this.
            EDIUS silver certified trainer.
            Main edit laptop: DVC Kaby Lake desktop processor laptop, 32GB RAM, 3.5Ghz i5 desktop processor, nVidia 1060, Windows 10.
            Desktop: 4Ghz 9900K processor, 32GB RAM, nVidia 1660TI GPU, Windows 10.
            Desktop: 2Ghz 12 core Xeon processor, 32GB RAM, nVidia 1060, BM Intensity Pro, Windows 10

            Comment


            • #7
              Hi David, I will check that and see..
              www.skysimonephotography.com
              www.skysimonefilm.com
              www.facebook.com/skysimonephoto





              Laptop:
              ASUS - 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - 1TB Hard Drive + 256GB SSD - Metal Star Gray
              Edius Pro 9 Windows 10

              Comment


              • #8
                Hi guys, I actually really need to know the difference here..

                I don't know which settings I've selected in the past, but half of my videos are showing as 'Movie Clip' file types in Windows, the other half are showing as 'MP4'

                Which settings would I have exported as to show these??
                Is there a quality difference?
                Which is better?

                Please help because I need to know if I have done the wrong thing :(

                What is the difference between an MP4 clip and a movie clip mpeg?


                Please help :(
                Which one should I be giving clients?

                FYI the MP4 plays squished in Quicktime, but plays fine in WMP
                The Movie Clip Mpegs will not open in Quicktime at all - only WMP


                If I open one of the Movie Clips in Edius and go to Clip Properties, it shows the details as
                1920 x 1080
                Aspect 16:9
                Color Range Super White
                Field Progressive
                Stream Mpeg 2
                Frame 50*
                Mpeg Program Stream

                If I look at an MP4 it shows as
                1440x1080
                1.333 Aspect 16:9
                Super White
                Field Order - Upper Field*
                Stream AVC Coding
                Frames 25

                What is AVC coding? It looks like I've saved them wrong doesn't it :(
                Last edited by tryingtolearn; 11-04-2015, 10:36 AM.
                www.skysimonephotography.com
                www.skysimonefilm.com
                www.facebook.com/skysimonephoto





                Laptop:
                ASUS - 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - 1TB Hard Drive + 256GB SSD - Metal Star Gray
                Edius Pro 9 Windows 10

                Comment


                • #9
                  a Movie Clip is a Movie Clip

                  an MP4 is also a Movie Clip

                  ignore what windows tells you, it only gives the name according to which software is the default player as already mentioned by David

                  if saving for future editing, save as HQ Fine AVI

                  is saving for web upload, save as MP4
                  Anton Strauss
                  Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                  EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro 21H2

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Ok I'm still extremely confused. I get the impression you guys are confused because you don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying, and I'm not doing too well at clarifying so sorry about that :)

                    When I look at all my past videos, some of them are mpeg, and some are MP4. I don't understand the difference.
                    Edius seems to have the option to save as either.. so what is the difference between mp4 and mpeg?

                    I give my clients their work on hard drive. I no longer author DVDs
                    what is the highest quality?

                    I would like consistency in all my saved files so should I convert the Mpegs to mp4 or vice versa?
                    www.skysimonephotography.com
                    www.skysimonefilm.com
                    www.facebook.com/skysimonephoto





                    Laptop:
                    ASUS - 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - 1TB Hard Drive + 256GB SSD - Metal Star Gray
                    Edius Pro 9 Windows 10

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      mp4 = mpeg4
                      mpeg = usually mpeg2 or in the very old times mpeg1

                      mpeg2 is a great format if file size is no issue

                      mpeg4 is great if you need to keep file size small but you can't use EDIUS to make small file size mp4 (poor quality), use Handbrake (free)
                      Anton Strauss
                      Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                      EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro 21H2

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Both are just different ways of making video clips. The advantage of MP4 is that you can make them a bit smaller for the same picture quality and they will probably play on more computers. MPEG2 files won't play on some computers without additional software, but they are less complicated so will encode quicker than MP4.

                        They are both fairly standard so you are likely to be able to find ways to play either for years to come. For new files I would make MP4 files as they are sort of the standard these days for generic files.

                        I would leave your mpeg files as mpeg and not remake them to MP4. Every time you remake a file it looses a little quality and an MP4 file won't be that much smaller than an MPEG2 file so there is not a huge reason to change them. Although you may want all your files to be the same type no doubt in 5 years time we will be using something else instead.
                        EDIUS silver certified trainer.
                        Main edit laptop: DVC Kaby Lake desktop processor laptop, 32GB RAM, 3.5Ghz i5 desktop processor, nVidia 1060, Windows 10.
                        Desktop: 4Ghz 9900K processor, 32GB RAM, nVidia 1660TI GPU, Windows 10.
                        Desktop: 2Ghz 12 core Xeon processor, 32GB RAM, nVidia 1060, BM Intensity Pro, Windows 10

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I note your MP4 file has a 1440x1080 resolution. That is likely a result of the recorder (camcorder) setting, it could easily be 1920x1080 and be a MP4.

                          AVC is Advanced Video Coding - a method of encoding video into a file commonly used for video these days . It is also also knows as H264 and MPEG-4 depending on the context

                          To simplify, video files are a bit like Christmas presents, they are comprised of the gift (the data: i.e., the encoded image and sound) and the wrapper/box (additional information about the file, how it was encodeed, and possibly the source).

                          The file extension generally identifies the wrapper and is typically assigned by the program creating the file. Files with different file extensions could have the same type of video encoding but somewhat different other information in the file. Files with the same extension could have different encoding methods.

                          .MOV, .WMV, .MTS, .M2TS, .MP4, .AVI are among the many file extensions commonly associated with video files.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            So mp4 is best for clients but takes longer to encode? I have never had clients unable to play Mpegs before.. Generally they can't play AVI files but the mpegs work

                            I have clients who can't play my Mpegs right now which is frustrating me!
                            www.skysimonephotography.com
                            www.skysimonefilm.com
                            www.facebook.com/skysimonephoto





                            Laptop:
                            ASUS - 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - 1TB Hard Drive + 256GB SSD - Metal Star Gray
                            Edius Pro 9 Windows 10

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X