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    Hello everyone.

    I Have an issue and want your help because i don't know what else to do.
    I have an old SONY TRV 120E Hi-8 Video Camera which also reads D8 Tapes.
    Unfortunately the DV OUT does not work, so i had to capture the material from 20 Tapes using the Svideo Cables for the Video, and 2 Rca cables for both audio Channels
    I used the Blackmagic's Media Express Suite chose the Pal setting and the procedure completed succesfully.
    Something that i think it might be useful to know the whole material was captured with the MJPEG codec.
    So i started Edius 8 Creating a Pal project and chose the 16:9 format.
    The settings are SD PAL 720*576 16:9 50i (i have also tried 25p)
    I then imported all the material successfully and "played" with the Layouter by correcting the "Width fit".
    Now the export procedure. Allthough i have set the settings to "lower field" 16:9, and Fine hq codec, when i export the project to Dvd the result is totally shaky (fishbone) and it is not 16:9. It is something like a magnified 4:3 aspect ratio but not a 16:9
    It has been a very long time since i last edited this kind of material, and i suppose i am doing something wrong, or i have forgotten something.
    Your help is appreciated.

    Thank you in advance.
    Last edited by panosole; 07-27-2015, 09:54 PM.
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  • #2
    Not sure I understand "lower third" in this context, or "shaky (fishbone)." Is that a result of deinterlacing and/or incorrect field order?

    What capture card did you use? E7 and E8 should be able to capture directly to HQ formats from some Black Magic Designs products (e.g., Intensity Pro) without having to go though Media Express. You shouldn't need to use Layouter to make 16x9 footage fit on a 16x9 timeline, but you might need to adjust clip properties.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dpalomaki View Post
      Not sure I understand "lower third" in this context, or "shaky (fishbone)." Is that a result of deinterlacing and/or incorrect field order?

      What capture card did you use? E7 and E8 should be able to capture directly to HQ formats from some Black Magic Designs products (e.g., Intensity Pro) without having to go though Media Express. You shouldn't need to use Layouter to make 16x9 footage fit on a 16x9 timeline, but you might need to adjust clip properties.
      oops!!!
      It is lower field and not lower third....
      i corrected it!!!
      shaky i mean that the DVD Playback is not smooth, i suppose it is interlacing problem.
      The Card is the Intensity Pro and it is the first tiem i captured from Media Express (and probably the last...)
      Unfortunately there is no time to recapture all these tapes from Within E8. Now i need to add titles and do some basic Editing ,then i have to do DVD Authoring. It would be better if the result could be 16:9 and not 4:3.
      Any ideas as to what is wrong? I will export Mpeg2 files and import them to Encore DVD, or to DVD Studio Pro for Mac.
      Last edited by panosole; 07-27-2015, 10:03 PM.
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      • #4
        If they are tape files they are likely interlaced so project should be interlaced too. You may want to check the file properties that they agree with what you think they should be and correct as necessary before editing in EDIUS. If they are old tapes they will likely be 4:3 and it may be better to leave them this way. If you try and put in a 16:9 project they may be stretched to fit. Not what you want. They may be true 16:9 though with non square pixels. Do you know how they were taken ?

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        • #5
          1. DVD is upper field first and never lower field first
          2. were your tapes shot 4:3 or 16:9
          3. if 4:3 and you want 16:9 set project setting to 16:9 or resize the 4:3 footage to fit in the 16:9 frame, if so, you must add 20% sharpness filter
          4. after that, export to mpeg2 elementary streams and use in your authoring software (video 7700 max and audio 256 ac3 and closed gop)

          TAW5 and DVD-Lab Pro and Encore will take these files with not further encoding

          Note: If I capture native 4:3, I use a 4:3 project settings and I make a 4:3 DVD and any DVD player or Blu-ray player with HDMI will display it in the center of the 16:9 screen automatically. If you have a DVD player with analog cables, you need to set the TV aspect accordingly on the TV remote
          Last edited by antonsvideo; 07-28-2015, 01:45 AM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
            1. DVD is upper field first and never lower field first
            2. were your tapes shot 4:3 or 16:9
            3. if 4:3 and you want 16:9 set project setting to 16:9 or resize the 4:3 footage to fit in the 16:9 frame, if so, you must add 20% sharpness filter
            4. after that, export to mpeg2 elementary streams and use in your authoring software (video 7700 max and audio 256 ac3 and closed gop)

            TAW5 and DVD-Lab Pro and Encore will take these files with not further encoding

            Note: If I capture native 4:3, I use a 4:3 project settings and I make a 4:3 DVD and any DVD player or Blu-ray player with HDMI will display it in the center of the 16:9 screen automatically. If you have a DVD player with analog cables, you need to set the TV aspect accordingly on the TV remote

            Antons and everyone else thank you all very much.
            The tapes were 4:3
            I changed the fields from "lower" to "upper" and it is working perfectly.!!!
            Set the project to "upper fields" , and the captured file from its properties to upper field, now it is automatically resizing and it is 16:9 .
            Wowwww...thanks again.
            Of course the Exported DVD shows 16:9 picture as it should.!!!
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            • #7
              I note that BMD captured files are not always what they say they are in the Bin, I have seen upper field clips be labelled as lower, so you may need to change the setting to make it smooth.
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              • #8
                yes, especially if capturing to Canopus HQ, many tools such as TMW5 incorrectly set these files to lower field instead of upper
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