"keyers" with transtiions

[VANTRI]

Following the message of Stormdave, I think to have a way: after you put transition effects to the photos you can Shift + Q then you will have a grey new clip then you can put 3d pip. Or do it in reverse way: put 3d pip then Shift +Q and then put transition effects. Try it.

[VANTRI]

Transition in 3d PIP clip.

Well yeah, that is why I have to shift Q if I want to do any transition other than the fade via transparancy of 3D PIP.

That's so great. Shift + Q give you a totally new rendered clip (grey coloured clip) independently, then we can add any transition we like. But remember to mark IN and OUT between the 3d PIP clips otherwise Edius thinks you want to render the whole sequence, it takes much time than we limit the range for rendering(between 3d PIP clips only)

[MarkG]

thanks every one for the support. It will take a while to go through and try everyones ideas and see what works, but thats what makes our job so much fun, isn't it!
I did try using 3dPIP and then rendering and saving it as a separate avi file, so I could import it back into the timeline with the movement, but for some reason the timline rejected it. I will try it again,I'm sure it was something stupid i did.

[Alade]

Well, if you want to use fancy transitions, how about making each pic a simple AV file after applying your 3D stuff, then drag these clips to the timeline, since they end up in the bin, and do your stuff......long and crazy, but it might help....let me know what you think

[GrassValley_MD]

I have only been using edius 4 for a couple of days now, but noticed a serious limitation when using the "keyer" effects. When using the 3D picture in picture effect (for panning and zooming across a still photo) you can no longer use a transition effect into the next photo. If you try, then the keyed effect will be applied to the next picture you just transitioned into! Also if you use a fade (with the rubberband in the mix section of the track) coming into a picture, then you cannot use a transition effect to go into the next picture.
Am I missing something here, or did Edius miss something?
Many hours have been spent pouring over the manual trying to solve this!
I am not exactly a newbie, as I have spent the last 9 years editing on a different NLE. The jump to Edius has been quite challenging, thank you for your patience and help.

Are you placing the keyer on all of the effects?

If you are a soultion is to place all of your transitions in first and then use one 3DPIP and key frame it.

Although it would be nice to beable to turn this off if desired I love this feature.

I build my video of photos or photos and video on track two, Place 3DPiP on it and then key frame it.

I then place my background behind on track one... works great!


Mike

[Roy Colquitt]

since the clip was nested, there is no need to do A/B, we can do it on the same track.

True, you could do it either way.

I guess it depends on how you want to do your trimming.

If I were to really use this, my personal preference would probably be to go with A/B for a more seemingly tactile way of dealing with the cut up pieces. Grab and move, grab and move, etc.

[Khoi Pham]

Actually, nesting sequences is a work around for this shortcoming.

Set up your 3D PIP items in one sequence, make another sequence, put the first sequence on the timeline in a second sequence, cut it up and add transitions.

Here's a quick and dirty, no-audio example:

http://www.rccvideo.com/3dpipnest.wmv

That is a good one Roy, and since the clip was nested, there is no need to do A/B, we can do it on the same track.
Thanks.

[Roy Colquitt]

Thanks, but that's not a revelation for most. It's well established that timeline alpha is another shortcoming since Version 1.

Still, in the context of what the the original poster was asking, nesting sequences is a completely viable option for gaining use of various transitions. The suggestion a sample might benefit anyone who it had not occurred to or who wasn't aware of the capability.

[Aristotelis]

Roy
That was the first think I did when I installed Edius 4...I got disapointed though because sequences do not hold alpha channel information....

In your video example it would have been a problem if you had chosen to scale the clip below 100% inside the 3DPiP...

[Roy Colquitt]

Actually, nesting sequences is a work around for this shortcoming.

Set up your 3D PIP items in one sequence, make another sequence, put the first sequence on the timeline in a second sequence, cut it up and add transitions.

Here's a quick and dirty, no-audio example:

http://www.rccvideo.com/3dpipnest.wmv

[Khoi Pham]

works fine here even if all clips have 3D pip, of course you are limited to dissolve via opaccity or 3D Pip keyframe transparency

Well yeah, that is why I have to shift Q if I want to do any transition other than the fade via transparancy of 3D PIP.

[antonsvideo]

works fine here even if all clips have 3D pip, of course you are limited to dissolve via opaccity or 3D Pip keyframe transparency

[Khoi Pham]

I think the best solution is as Dave suggested and just use AB style editing. Not that big of a deal. I remember it wasn't that long ago where many of us were doubting the switch to one track editing. Now it seems an inconvience to use AB style.

The other thing I would like to see "adjusted" in the keyer would be the ability to turn off the function that connects the keyer (3d PIP usually) together when you add a transition to adjoining clips. Sometimes it is nice to have, but for me mostly, I would like to not have that feature. Watch for this one MarkG as it will surprise you when it happens.

Unless I'm missing something but A/B style only works if only one of your clip has 3DPIP, if all clips have 3DPIP then it won't work

[antonsvideo]

Now it seems an inconvience to use AB style.

not at all here, I use it daily and it is the fastest way of editing and fixing things if they need to, after the edit

long live AB

[pjsssss]

I think the best solution is as Dave suggested and just use AB style editing. Not that big of a deal. I remember it wasn't that long ago where many of us were doubting the switch to one track editing. Now it seems an inconvience to use AB style.

The other thing I would like to see "adjusted" in the keyer would be the ability to turn off the function that connects the keyer (3d PIP usually) together when you add a transition to adjoining clips. Sometimes it is nice to have, but for me mostly, I would like to not have that feature. Watch for this one MarkG as it will surprise you when it happens.