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  • MB Looks preview screen is incorrect - Bug ?

    I have been away from Edius (& these forums) for a while (since V5). I have been mostly using the Premiere CC. However I was tempted back last month because of

    a) the jump offer
    b) I missed the speed and reliability of Edius
    c) My favorite tools like MB Looks would work via the AE plugin.

    However there seems to be a problem with the implementation of Looks. With the preview screen to be exact. What you see is NOT what you get.

    I loaded the same footage into Premiere and the Looks preview is a faithful representation of what you get on the timeline and in the rendered file.

    In Edius it is substantially different. So much so that it renders MB Looks completely useless....and by extension one of the reasons I came back to Edius.

    I would like to know
    Is this something known about ? (I searched and found nothing.)
    Is this likely to get fixed ("soon")?

    I have enclosed screen caps of the preview screens for clarification.
    Premiere Looks Preview Screen
    Click to Enlarge

    Edius Looks Preview Screen
    Click to Enlarge

    The colour tone, contrast and saturation are off by a mile.
    The aspect ratio is wrong too, but I can live with that.
    Thanks in advance & it's good to be back.
    Last edited by GrassValley_SL; 06-20-2015, 10:33 PM.
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    I'll check this out - but I also find that the latest Looks Vignette doesn't work correctly in Edius - must look at PPro...


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    • #3
      Thank You
      Rick
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      • #4
        Which version of MBL are you using?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by GrassValley_PS View Post
          Which version of MBL are you using?
          MBL Version 2.5.3
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          • #6
            Yes, the screens are a little different in how they are displayed. However, the full contents of the frame is seen in both programs. The aspect is off a tad but not a big deal.
            As far as the Vignette goes, it works just fine here. I have output to monitor for color grading with both programs.
            Last edited by Jerry; 06-19-2015, 09:36 PM.
            Jerry
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jerry View Post
              Yes, the screens are a little different in how they are displayed. However, the full contents of the frame is seen in both programs. The aspect is off a tad but not a big deal.
              As far as the Vignette goes, it works just fine here. I have output to monitor for color grading with both programs.
              The aspect ratio is a minor issue. However for me the preview in Edius is not just a little different its well & truly off the mark (colour/saturation and contrast.) as can be seen in the screenshot. And IMHO it makes using MBL in very difficult. In PPCC And AE it is very precise and accurate. Surely this means that something is wrong with the AE plugin system ??
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              • #8
                Make sure that both are using the same numbers. I did notice that in some cases, AE and Edius would have different saturation numbers.
                Remember to check the Edius Magic Bullet Looks panel settings after applying the filter in MBL. Look where the keyframe is and how many keyframes are there.
                Jerry
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jerry View Post
                  Make sure that both are using the same numbers. I did notice that in some cases, AE and Edius would have different saturation numbers.
                  Remember to check the Edius Magic Bullet Looks panel settings after applying the filter in MBL. Look where the keyframe is and how many keyframes are there.
                  I did verify this. There are no keyframes and all the settings are identical.

                  Does anyone think that this might be an colour depth issue ? The reason I ask is that the effects in the MBL preview seem so much more subtle. The highlight rolloffs, the colour contrasts whereas on the Edius timeline they look "overcooked"..... My project is 10 bit, which is the maximum that Edius supports. But MBL works with higher resolution than that ?.... just postulating, but I sure as heck hope that in version 8, the AE PLugin system is implemented better. Alas there are precious few "details" about the improvements offered in version 8 though......
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