Where and when to use 16X9

[rando]

Where and when to use 16X9

Thanks Dave, In my own defense I did read the manual(which is rare) thats where I got the thing about only 4:3 being supported in 720X480.

Randy

[STORMDAVE]

Yeah, I got that part. If my DVD player is set to 16X9 it does fill the screen. BUT in DVDSP 4 I cant find a 16X9 project so if I use transistions for chapters and menus there 4:3 then it switcheds back to 16X9

Ok Randy, I found out how to do it. You need to go into the inspector and under the "Menu" tab, select "16:9 Letterbox" from the default Display mode. The transitions should be ok now....unless this is what you've been doing all along. I will look deeper into it...but I do recommend that you read the manual more thoroughly. You can make the default 16:9 by going into the preferences then general then under display mode choose 16:9 letterbox.

[rando]

Where and when to use 16X9

Yeah, I got that part. If my DVD player is set to 16X9 it does fill the screen. BUT in DVDSP 4 I cant find a 16X9 project so if I use transistions for chapters and menus there 4:3 then it switcheds back to 16X9

[STORMDAVE]

I don't use DVDSP much, and right now the computer is rendering to MPEG2 through Windows out of Edius, but I will take a look at DVDSP and give you an answer tomorrow probably.

It "should" be in the menu inspector, but I am not really eligible to answer this without looking because I don't use DVDSP, so I would be able to find the answer through trial & error, unless someone already knows the answer.

Either way you should know that a true 16:9 disc will fill the whole screen when playing to a wide TV, and a wide disc will show it letterboxed on a 4:3 TV. There shouldn't be any bars on a wide screen TV.

[rando]

Where and when to do 16X9

How do I change my project setting in DVDSP 4, when I went in the manual it had a chart and it said under 720X480 that only 4:3 was supported.

[STORMDAVE]

oh well I did all the 16X9 encoding and got it looking really good just to find that DVDSP 4 doesnt support 16X9 in 720X480. Everything looks great with the exception of the transistions a on the chapters which switch to 4:3 when I hit a chapter. Oh well im learning.

16:9 DVD IS 720x480. The difference between 4:3 and 16:9 is the flag on the MPEG2 clip. I don't think you're getting this.

Just shoot in 16:9, edit in 16:9 (note, if you use Xplode Pro, some transitions don't support 16:9 so be careful) then encode to 16:9 MPEG2, and finally author in a 16:9 project in DVDSP4.

[rando]

oh crud!

oh well I did all the 16X9 encoding and got it looking really good just to find that DVDSP 4 doesnt support 16X9 in 720X480. Everything looks great with the exception of the transistions a on the chapters which switch to 4:3 when I hit a chapter. Oh well im learning.

[Blast1]

I always put a note on the jewell case label "If your video fails to display correct size, check your DVD player and TV to make sure they have the proper settings."

[rando]

Where and when to use 16X9

I got a good one, I had to resixe some assets in my timeline to match my video. I use Scenalyzer to capture. The only catch seems to be I need to set my DVD player on 16X9. I hope the clients have that piece of mind. And the compression which I cant do much about until I go HD.

Randy

[antonsvideo]

you can't mix 4:3 and 16:9 in the same VTS set

to make a successfuld 16:9 standard def DVD

1. shoot 16:9
2. start Edius 16:9 project and capture and edit
3. export to DVD ES streams or Program stream and set advanced output aspect to 16:9 (ProCoder advanced settings)
4. set DVD authoring software to 16:9 menu aspect
5. if your authoring software allows, set option to force 4:3 TV to display letterboxed, this ensures that viewers with 4:3 sets get to see all as intended and viewers with 16:9 TV will see a filled screen

http://www.videoproductions.com.au/dvd-lab/project-properties.gif

here are problems you will encounter
1. DVD players are sold with output preset for 4:3 TV (I know, this is silly)
2. Users don't understand the remote control and the many aspect settings of their 16:9 Plasma or LCD or TV

the conclusion
YOU CAN'T WIN THEM ALL

[rando]

Where and when to use 16X9

I am using DVDSP 4 it seemed to automaticly make it a wide but I couldnt find a setting. The fact that there is 4:3 in the beginning MAY have thrown it off.

[STORMDAVE]

Did you burn the DVD as wide? Or are you playing to the LCD directly from the NLE?

There shouldnt be a reason to zoom in from the TV at all. If you use a good upconverting DVD player, it looks very good with SD 16:9 DVDs. If you have a good brand LCDTV, like a Sony Bravia, its upconverting components are of higher quality than cheaper brands such as Westinghouse, etc. Cheaper brands only look good at native resolutions.

You didnt make it clear if youre burning a wide dvd or not. Also you need to go into the DVD players menu, and change it to 16:9.

[rando]

Where and when to use 16X9

O.K. I did one and on my big LCD I had to set it on "Zoom" to use the whole screen. The compression looked pretty rough though I am trying it again at 7800 mps. I think it may not look much better because its 720X480 being upscaled. Now the only thing I need to change is my Imaginate project and my jumpbacks are still 4:3 and dont match the rest of the footage.

Randy

[Jerry]

Ditto what Dave said: I do all projects in widescreen format now unless I'm sure the customer only wants 4:3 output. Widescreen displays will become the de facto viewing standard of the 21st century, and in some ways this is more important than resolution in driving the change to widescreen/HD production.

I shoot everything wide and in HD. The resulting image, even if it is delivered in SD, is wonderful. The 4x3 becomes letterboxed, without you having to do anything. The only thing that you need to make sure of is your overscan settings for web or 4x3 delivery. The SMPTE effects will show the overscan unless this is adjusted.(Personal experience on this)
The only advice I can give you is, if it is shot in wide...edit in wide. If it is shot 4x3 edit in 4x3.

[kwshaw1]

Ditto what Dave said: I do all projects in widescreen format now unless I'm sure the customer only wants 4:3 output. Widescreen displays will become the de facto viewing standard of the 21st century, and in some ways this is more important than resolution in driving the change to widescreen/HD production.