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  • stanley
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    thanks that message was very helpful and I have done that and seem to understand more about the outcome. However I still dont think it touches on the original problems of why it is brought in extremely and crushed but I think I can live with the audio for the time being at least.

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  • JimJulian
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    Try these settings

    In the "old" days audio was mixed to "0". A lot of CD and Library Music is still mixed to "0". Even reference tone, I believe, was set to "0".

    At my TV station we set all our digital audio to -12. We often joke that -12 is the new "0". That means that 90% of the peaks hit at around -12 when looking at the audio mixer in Edius. I set up the mixer in Application Settings so that everything over -12 goes "red" and everything under is "green". We also set Reference Tone in Edius to -20. Not sure why. Seems -12 would be a better fit since everything is mixed to -12.
    All the editors that use music automatically drop a -12 Panpot and Balance filter (created as a user preset) on music that we download or bring in off a CD. This is just a starting point. Your needs may vary.

    Finally, I always thought that the volume line on the waveform defaults to low. It gives you very little room to keyframe as you lower the volume. In future versions of Edius I'd like to see the ability to set this default as I choose. Before we starting dropping -12 on everthing it was very frustrating to fine tune an audio mix.

    Also, learn to trust your Audio Mixer in Edius. Don't confuse audio monitoring through Windows with audio mix from Edius.

    Hope this helps,

    jim

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  • stanley
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    ok, this thread has been up for awhile now but everyone who has posted pretty much said they have this problem or they have heard of it. Has this always been the case with Edius and if so... how do you guys get around it so much. I have tried bringing my levels down so they dont distort but all it serves to do is bring the project audio levels way down so they are extremely quiet outside of edius and even then, the audio is crap because the top end is still very flat.

    When I import a music file from a CD, the waveform is maxxed out and crushed the entire file and will not come down once yet I have no idea why and havent goten any answer to this. It seems like there are quite a number of people with the same style of problem so surely there is a fix because this is a major problem after all, its not like just not being able to use a certain random effect or something you can make do without this is my entire audio being extremely crappy and unusable.

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  • hvx_germanboy
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    Thats indeed a very interesting thread,

    i was running into the same problems, not only with CD-music, but also recorded sounds that were done without much headroom.(but still totally fine in waveforms, no cut points.
    But it SOUNDS distorted in Edius, i mostly set my projectsettings to -20db, that helps in most of the cases, but i am wondering what this is all about.
    I am also thniking about working a lot with AAF in the future, which should save me a lot of time in CC and Sound-things.
    But what would happen if i do change the audiolevels in Edius(both, on a singular clip or in general with lower project settings), when i export this as AAF to Protools for example..would it keep the settings? (cant test that myself unfortunatly, as i got no protools...!)

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  • Marc44
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    Today, I've tried the same wave file (1000Hz/ -6db) in the "old" 4.24 and there : Vu and Mixer show +6db (and not -6db) and the sound is very loud.
    The track waveform is like in 4.52 (+8db over the red line).
    Thus , the 4.52 is better for VU+Mixer, but not for the track waveform.
    Unless there exists a hidden parameter…


    Marc

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  • lkmuller
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    For some reason I am not having this problem, and am curious as to why you all are. I have not upgraded to the latest version of Edius. Could that be the reason? I rip wave files from CDs all the time. I do notice, however, that when I convert to AC Audio in DVDWS, the audio does seem hotter, but not unreasonably so.

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  • pjsssss
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    I've never had it near this bad. It seems it may always have been a bit loud, but what I have now is new. Audio has never been a strengrth of
    Edius.

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  • stanley
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    im getting the exact same problem and since i'm new to Edius i figured it was something I was doing wrong, has this always been this way ?? and there ever been a fix put out for it?

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  • Marc44
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    I try to verify an audio level problem :
    - I take a wav file reference : 1 Khz -6db in Sound Forge 8 : no problem , it displays : -6db
    - I take the same file in Edius :
    1. the VU/mixer and Vu/screen monitor (CTRL+G) , it's OK : -6db
    2. but in the track waveform , the signal is + 8db over the red line, whereas it should be -6db under the red line. The variation is of + 14db !
    And the speakers seems louder in Edius than in SF8.

    How to explain that ?

    Marc

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  • Rusty
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    Originally posted by henryj View Post
    I'm having the same problem and I have lots of experience with audio. Is there a compression/expansion plugin for Edius? I produce a music show and deal with lots of audio levels. Lately fixing audio in Edius takes most of the edit time.

    Henry J.
    There are few VST's out there that are stable enough within Edius.
    I have, however, had great success with Classic Master Limiter. Definitely on my good list!

    Rusty

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  • tony
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    I'm also having problems when I import a music file.

    Tony

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  • henryj
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    I'm having the same problem and I have lots of experience with audio. Is there a compression/expansion plugin for Edius? I produce a music show and deal with lots of audio levels. Lately fixing audio in Edius takes most of the edit time.

    Henry J.

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  • johannesj
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    Usaly i import in audio app and level it to -3 to -6 pending on type of music, then i import it to edius.
    Last edited by johannesj; 10-18-2007, 05:13 PM.

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  • antonsvideo
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    it appears most audio ripped from an audio CD is too loud for Edius

    I usually alt+click the first waveform node of the clip and drag to around 40 - 60%, this usually gets me to where I like to be at -6db (good for digital)

    you can also drop the panpot filter and lower the volume

    you can also open the audio mixer and set the current track to track mode and lower the volume (this affects all clips on the same track, so not recommended)

    for analogue production, wave files can be +4db and higher

    if you have Edius SP, then you can adjust the headroom of balanced audio to +20db and it will take a lot to distort

    in any case, if you are making digital tapes or DVD, then -6db is a good level

    ON THE OTHER HAND I would love to know why all audio that shows a decent waveform in Edius is way too loud and all good sounding non/distorted audio has a small waveform? does anyone at GV know the answer? (I am talking linear waveform and not log)
    Last edited by antonsvideo; 10-18-2007, 01:21 PM.

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  • stanley
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    Firstly,
    Thanks for your help so far it has goten me thinking on different areas but I have tried these things and it's not that.

    The thing is, when I import anything generally, (but will use music "WAV" as an example) the levels are way to hot and meaning the normal peak is crushed down and cut off at the top creating distortion.

    I would like to know if there are any settings that can change how audio is imported and what ways there are to change the levels. Also, what levels on the audio meter are other people striving for? 0? -6? -12?

    If I drop the db down the distortion leaves because it can longer get to the peak that is cut at the top but even if I exported the same wav file out at 0db the audio levels is significantly less then the original file (when playing them in a separate audio program ie, itunes or wmp.

    Thanks again for all your continued help.

    D Stanley

    PS, I am using DVStorm2 on edius pro 3.5
    Last edited by ; 10-18-2007, 03:55 AM. Reason: Forgot Hardware

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