wedding workflo

[deebee69]

I was just wondwering whilst ingesting 6 hours of sd video into our computer, what workflo other people/editors adopt for long form shooting such as weddings .
Do you review all the footage and just bring in what you want.

Do you create an offline file and if you do at what res do you use.

Do you bring the whole lot in and take chunks out

Also what workflo do you adopt for 2 camera shoots ?Ive tried multicam which I like but find it gets complicated when using it on 6 hours of footage?

[pjsssss]

For most projects, I capture everything on the tape, dump to timeline, and then do my editing on the timeline. For long projects it usually works better to do them in different nested sequences within the same project.

Multicam works great for me. Again I use sequences for different parts of the project.

[hedleyw]

I usually have about 6 or 7 hours of HDV on tape from a wedding.

My workflow is:

Capture all tapes as 1_1, 1_2, 2_1, 2_2 etc so that cam 1 and 2 tapes are readily identified. Each tape is captured to the appropriate folder in my template such as arrive, ceremony, post ceremony, lawn, speeches, evening guests, dancing. Where content on one tape is mixed I move clips to the appropriate folder - sorting by date/time recorded helps.

After capture I move all clips from a bin to an appropriate sequence on the timeline. I usually have about four or five sequences for this.

Edit on the timeline using Alt-N, Alt-M, C and Alt-Delete for a rough edit. If I'm cutting to beat I lay down markers first tapping V to the beat while listening to the music. Fine tune on second pass.

For multicam camera 1 goes to V1 with sound split to A1 and A2. Camera 2 goes to V2 with sound to A3 and A4. a second copy of camera 1 video only goes to V3 and is advanced by 3 or 4 seconds over V1. As I am a 2 camera 1 operator setup this allows me to spot camera 1 moves in advance so I am ready to make the cut on the fly.

Finally the various sequences are scanned for suitable clips for the highlights which go to a highlights folder using Shift-B after selecting the clip on the timeline. The highlights folder clips are then added to a highlights sequence where they are trimmed as before, transitions added and rendered to timeline by shift-q before the speed is adjusted for slo mo and any filters added.

The various sequences are then added to the master sequence and then output to a DVD file and an m2t for transfer back to tape.

Open bottle of wine and celebrate :)

I have a master project file which I keep as a template to import into new projects as required.

Just my way of doing things, I'm very interested to learn how others go about editing weddings.

[SRsupport]

Since you are using SD it pays to use dvcapture. You can capture 3 tapes at once.
So in 2 hours you capture 6 hours of footage.

SR

[[email protected]]

I am brand new to Edius yet I have been editing weddings for a long time.

Since I shoot most of my own jobs I like to lay down the complete video on the timeline and edit it from beginning to end.

Once the basic job is edited I grab my shots for the Overview portion from the timeline-- Control B.

I have only had Edius 4.5 for a week and I am just starting to learn my way around the system.

I had an older Velocity system that crashed and died. I thought I would gently learn a new system yet now I am thrown into the fire to learn the system.

To all of my fellow wedding videographer editors: When was the last time you were completely caught up in your editing and could take a two week vacation without being overwhelemed with editing when you came back.

For me it has been a long long time. Only if you work in this business can you appreciate the lifestyle, stress, applause, and the strange hours we keep.

Hal

[Rusty]

I am brand new to Edius yet I have been editing weddings for a long time.

To all of my fellow wedding videographer editors: When was the last time you were completely caught up in your editing and could take a two week vacation without being overwhelmed with editing when you came back.

Hal

Hea Hal,

Welcome to the confusion of Edius, you'll be a pro in a week!
With Edius I get many weddings out in record time. Big ones are still a slog.

Rusty
Is a 2-month backlog vs. a 6-month backlog considered "caught up"?
Enjoy your trip!

[[email protected]]

Hi Rusty,

I am not going on a trip. I was daydreaming the question of a two week vacation as people who edit weddings can never get caught up to find the time for a large vacation.

[Philip]

Hea Hal,

Welcome to the confusion of Edius, you'll be a pro in a week!

If it's so confusing why do we work so fast in it compared to other NLEs. Your statement is confusing. :-) If it's confusing how will Hal learn it in a week?

While it seems confusing to some I switched to version 1.5 way back in the middle of a PPro project. I rendered to an avi what I had done, started Edius and began working. Within 2 hours I was running faster than PPro and wasn't crashing all the time. I finished that wedding quicker than I would have in PPro and I changed NLE's mid project. Some call that crazy but that's how good Edius iss (IMHO). It may be confusing to some but it was easy to me....but then again I can't find my way around Vegas (the NLE). While some call it intuitive....it's just confusing to me!

[mattmatt]

I HATE editing on the timeline - that is what the source monitor is for! it's so messy to throw all your raw video on the timeline and cut it up there...

I drag my clips in to the source monitor (double clicking is quicker) then place In and Out points to find my shot, drop it on the timeline with shortcut key (in my case I use comma and full-stop for insert and overlay)

Then I use the output monitor for fine-tuning trims, filters and transitions.

Brides & Grooms preperations, Ceremony, location and reception are all their own sequences, and a "Full Version" sequence is where they all come together.

Each sequence has colour balance adjustments, and any other generic filters.

Remember having a single project for each section in Premiere 6.5??? Man that sucked! Took ten minutes to load each one (a slight exageration)

[Rusty]

mattmatt,

I see you're not too keen on timeline trimming.

So, what's your take on the new(ish) timeline Ripple feature? It seems to take the place of time spent in the Preview Window for me. I typically use a single (larger) monitor, but currently have two showing to see if dual layout is useful.

Timeline dumper...
Rusty
:-)

If it's so confusing why do we work so fast in it compared to other NLEs. Your statement is confusing. :-) If it's confusing how will Hal learn it in a week?

middle of a PPro project. I to an avi what I had done, started Edius and began working. Within 2 hours I was running faster than PPro and wasn't crashing all the time. and I changed NLE's mid project. Some call that crazy but that's how good find Open the pod bay doors, Hal. my way rendered around Vegas (the NLE). While some call it intuitive....it's I finished that wedding quicker than I would have in PPro Edius iss (IMHO). It While it seems confusing to some I switched to version 1.5 way back in the may be confusing to some but it was easy to me....but then again I can't just confusing to me!

[hedleyw]

I HATE editing on the timeline - that is what the source monitor is for! it's so messy to throw all your raw video on the timeline and cut it up there...

I drag my clips in to the source monitor (double clicking is quicker) then place In and Out points to find my shot, drop it on the timeline with shortcut key (in my case I use comma and full-stop for insert and overlay)

It might be what the source monitor was originally designed for, but I've tried both and find using the shortcut combinations on the time line much faster. For each clip to reach the timeline using source monitor editing requires two actions. After moving the entire bin the timeline method requires none. Messy perhaps, fast yes :)

[skier-hughes]

Thankfully I don't do many weddings now!!

My way of working is virtually identical to Hedleyw, though I still use seperate projects for each section, left over from my P6.5 days of a few weeks ago. Multicam is my favourite item.


Note, to self.

Experiment and learn nested sequences now while I haven't a wedding to do :)

Graham

[GrassValley_MD]

I was just wondwering whilst ingesting 6 hours of sd video into our computer, what workflo other people/editors adopt for long form shooting such as weddings .
Do you review all the footage and just bring in what you want.

Do you create an offline file and if you do at what res do you use.

Do you bring the whole lot in and take chunks out

Also what workflo do you adopt for 2 camera shoots ?Ive tried multicam which I like but find it gets complicated when using it on 6 hours of footage?

Like SR Said I would use DV Capture if you have the Firewire ports and the Decks / Cameras.

It inables you to capture up to three sources at once!

Back in the day (when I did weddings) I was a timeline dumper as well. I would use multi sequences to keep the different parts of the video seperate frome each other and then add them to a "master sequence"

Worked really well :)


Mike

[GrassValley_BH]

Step 1: Take a step back from how you do things and focus on what you want to accomplish.

Step 2: Explore a little bit. Play with things as though it was a fresh new concept.

The problem most people run into is that they expect things to work exactly the same way as __(insert whatever application they learned)__.

It's like a car. All cars drive similarly but not exactly the same. Turning on the headlights or using windshield wipers - these control vary from car to car. Same with column-shift and manual transmission. Yet the basic concepts of driving are the same - you want to make the car go forward, you want to turn left, etc.

So taking a step back from the mechanics you know is important, because most if not all of the concepts still apply, it just might operate a little differently.

[mattmatt]

Rusty - The ripple modes and insert modes and sync modes are all "off" for me. I overlay to timeline from source monitor no matter what. Maybe i should give it go, and see how these options may benifit me...
In fact, this thread has motivated me to explore all that edius offers...

Grassvalley BH - I guess you are right - Its just a slightly different drive, in that none of us want to change the way we work (such a generalization!), That would mean re-learning something we have convied ourselves we don't need to know!

I learnt to edit tape to tape at a television network, so my transition to NLE's reflects that style (3 point and 4 point editing). Thats the way I work fastest and makes most sense to me, its not better than any other way, I just say it's THE BEST because I am bias and like to stir the pot.