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  • Fred Dwyer
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    Rusty:
    Guess I'm a little slow. What I'm expecting to do, is drive my NTSC monitor from the analog output of the ACEDVio card while I am editing. While I move accross the time line cutting from track to track, adding transitions, trimming etc. I'm not sure how to set this up, but understand from this forum that it can be done. It was also noted here that the NTSC image would be 1 second delayed from the actual timeline position and the overlay. Is any of this wrong?

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  • Rusty
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    Originally posted by Fred Dwyer View Post
    If I understand correctly the NTSC output will be a second delayed from my actual timeline position. This will also cause it to be 1 second out of sync with my soundcard outut. Would expect that I could use the analog sound out to get an audio signal in sync with the NTSC video. Is that so?

    The fact that Stormdave feels it's not workable without the NX makes me concerned about the "large overlay" aproach. Comments???
    Oh yes, should mention: The multi-cam functionality is very important to me.
    Hea Fred,
    I'm not sure you have the whole picture here...

    NTSC has no delay, OCHI (firewire) does.

    If you use your sound card it will be in sync with the overlay.

    If you use OCHI the A/V is delayed from the timeline, but is in sync with itself. So an external monitor sounds as it should.

    NX is good, and a worthy investment, but not required.
    Clear as mud, Rusty

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  • STORMDAVE
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    Monoprice.com

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  • Fred Dwyer
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    Well it's been an interesting day. Installed 4.51. Got all excited when the installer offered a Rex RT driver. Installed it. Doesn't work. 4.51 doesn't even see it. Why'd they do that? Must of expected it to work. Oh well! Ordered an ACEDVio card. Discovered that this system does have a firewire port and I was never aware of it. Of course it's around back under a tangle of wires, that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. Guess I'll be able to capture 2 streams of DV at once now. I had a little problem with the authorization for SoundSoap, but expect to get that cleared up through the SoundSoap tech support folks. Otherwise it all seems to have gone smoothly. I've loaded a couple of EDIUS 3.5 projects and played around with them a bit, not enough to be sure it's clean, but I feel pretty good about it. Thanks again for all the information.

    Went out to pick up a firewire cable. OOOOOPPPSS, they want a fortune for one of those things. Anyone got a good source for reasonably priced firewire cables?
    Last edited by Fred Dwyer; 09-16-2007, 01:05 AM. Reason: Additional Information

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  • STORMDAVE
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    Originally posted by Fred Dwyer View Post
    I'm learning a lot here, thanks for all your time. If I understand correctly the NTSC output will be a second delayed from my actual timeline position. This will also cause it to be 1 second out of sync with my soundcard outut. Would expect that I could use the analog sound out to get an audio signal in sync with the NTSC video. Is that so?
    I've always used the NTSC monitor exclusively when editing, never paid any attention to the overlay. Guess that will have to change. If I expand the overlay window to a good large size, I would expect that I can use that display while editing and use the NTSC monitor just to review color/contrast/brightness. Any flaws in that logic? Of course a larger overlay will soak up compute power. Wonder how big I can make it without causing my P4 3.x gig hyperthreading CPU to stutter.
    The fact that Stormdave feels it's not workable without the NX makes me concerned about the "large overlay" aproach. Comments???
    Oh yes, should mention: The multi-cam functionality is very important to me.
    If you route the audio to your speakers from your Digital to Analog converter, it will be fine "during" playback...when you scrub and do commands such as frame by frames, the delay will be apparent going from your keyboard to your output monitor.

    I don't know, it might not be bad for you, give it a try. Download the demo and use a cheap camcorder which has analog out, should work ok.

    Also you should be ok for DV editing with that processor under OHCI. I have a similar system (Check my specs for the second system) and even if I start an OHCI project and not use Storm2, it works ok.

    Edius v5 might not support DVStorm2 either, so I think my Storm2 system might be going that route as well, so...

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  • 3chip
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    Well I would leave the Rex Cards in place and after you install Edius see if Rex is recognized. And most importantly see if when you play the Edius timeline you have an output from the Rex Card to a monitor. Stranger things have happened. I have Edius 4.5(c) and didn't install it yet because I have heard of so many problems. Most are probably machine connected but 4.5 will not give me anything I don't have. Good luck! Phil in Montana

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  • Fred Dwyer
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    3chip:
    Afraid I'm dead in the water as far as Rex is concerned. It's EDIUS 4.5 that I have sitting here in a box, waiting to be installed.

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  • 3chip
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    Rex Edit can still capture for you. Sometimes Edius sees it but sometimes it doesn't. But I suggest you keep it for that Breakout Box was and is the best ever. It will continue to output and in my opinion is invaluable. I have gone to an OHCI card and the AdsPyro but it has just created problems for me. I ordered and should receive the ADVC110 Monday and I'll just have to see how that works out. Presently without the Rex I would have no NTSC monitor output. The only problem you will have with Rex is if you upgrade to the latest version of Edius, ie 4.5. And it has its own set of problems! If you have the bucks for the NX and the demand for HDV then go for it but I would just stay where you're at and use the external monitor as you have been doing.

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  • Fred Dwyer
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    I'm learning a lot here, thanks for all your time. If I understand correctly the NTSC output will be a second delayed from my actual timeline position. This will also cause it to be 1 second out of sync with my soundcard outut. Would expect that I could use the analog sound out to get an audio signal in sync with the NTSC video. Is that so?
    I've always used the NTSC monitor exclusively when editing, never paid any attention to the overlay. Guess that will have to change. If I expand the overlay window to a good large size, I would expect that I can use that display while editing and use the NTSC monitor just to review color/contrast/brightness. Any flaws in that logic? Of course a larger overlay will soak up compute power. Wonder how big I can make it without causing my P4 3.x gig hyperthreading CPU to stutter.
    The fact that Stormdave feels it's not workable without the NX makes me concerned about the "large overlay" aproach. Comments???
    Oh yes, should mention: The multi-cam functionality is very important to me.
    Last edited by Fred Dwyer; 09-14-2007, 03:45 PM. Reason: Additional Information

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  • alias
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    I hear people complain about the lag all the time. I do not even notice it. I admit trying to see the video with the AD/DA convert and hear the audio with the sound card is not wise and a very painful way to edit. With Premiere I get dropped frames when using titles, transtion and CC all at once. That is just basic editing in my opinion and Edius can do it in RT with OHCI a converter and a NTSC monitor. My Premiere RT previews look decent but I know they are not true RT (dropped frames). To me that is a painful way to edit. I use Edius but I admit Premiere may be better for certain tasks.

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  • STORMDAVE
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    I think the OP will miss the Rex because the ~1 second lag is unbearable (To me that is)...I couldn't even do it without an NX.

    FCP and Premiere have a much lesser lag, I hope Edius OHCI gets tightened up in the future.

    Another way would be to clone the overlay and have it go to video out? But in this situation, color correction would be a drag.

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  • johannesj
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    RexRT works fine wit Edius 4.24, but not with 4.5.

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  • alias
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    Any AD/DV converter will work for DV-25. A mere 2.4 GHZ CPU and 512 MB of RAM with Edius and OHCI will give you plenty of RT. You will not miss the Rex at all.
    Last edited by ; 09-14-2007, 11:08 AM.

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  • Fred Dwyer
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    Looks like an ACEDVio card should do the job that the Rex has been doing for so many years, just a single set of inputs and outputs of each type instead of video 1 / video 2 etc. Am I missing anything?

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  • Fred Dwyer
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    For the time being, and for current requirements, I think an OHCI card is going to have to do it. That'll give me the ability to capture DV won't it? But guess I'll lose my output to my NTSC monitor. That's not good. Any thoughts on a "dirt cheap" solution that will enable DV capture and NTSC monitoring? We'll look to a new system and HD cameras later next year.

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