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  • #16
    Now I totally get what you are asking.

    If the FCB works with the motherboard EDIUS will see it and you can use it on the system.
    Just make sure first the FCB works with that motherboard.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by GrassValley_SL View Post
      Now I totally get what you are asking.

      If the FCB works with the motherboard EDIUS will see it and you can use it on the system.
      Just make sure first the FCB works with that motherboard.
      I knew we'd understand each other! :-)

      Great. That's what I wanted to know. Also, when we got the FCB for the system at work, I did a lot of research about the supported motherboards. Grassvalley told me that they don't do motherboard testing for FCB anymore, so anything newer than the ones on the support list at the site, is at my own risk.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by zvit View Post
        Hey Ron!

        I think we are not on the same page and have some misunderstanding.

        You can edit on a computer with no video card and no Canopus hardware. You just need a computer, a screen or two and the Edius software. The two screens are connected to a GPU. (eg: ATI, Nvidia... etc)

        Firecoder Blu is just a piece of hardware that when installed, shows up in the Edius export window and allows you to export full HD footage in half the realtime instead of 12 - 16 hours!

        I wanted to know if Edius will let you use the FCB even though you don't have a video card.
        A GPU like ATi or Nvidia is a video card which is what I believe you need to run any computer. Otherwise you cannot see what is going on as to status of PC or whether anything is running. I think we have a nomenclature problem. Video card to me is the interface that allows the PC to display on a screen whether that is a discrete card like ATI or NVidia or integrated graphics on the motherboard. Nothing to do with video editing at all. If you can't see what is going on you can't see if cards are installed etc. FCB is a form of coprocessor used by Edius and can also be used by TMPGenc too. So to make a computer work one needs a video card in my mind however that is implemented. The one instant I was wondering about was if one could use remote control to run the PC without any video output to a screen. The sort of control used by IT maintenance etc. The way servers are sometimes set up. I took out my FCB because it was slower than the i7 2600K of my present system. The FCB was a big improvement over that 12 hours you mentioned but the Sandy Bridge is about 25% faster.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ron Evans View Post
          The FCB was a big improvement over that 12 hours you mentioned but the Sandy Bridge is about 25% faster.
          Ron Evans
          Are you saying that with Intel Sandy Bridge, you can export from Edius a 2 hour timeline of 1920x1080 footage in less than an hour?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by zvit View Post
            Are you saying that with Intel Sandy Bridge, you can export from Edius a 2 hour timeline of 1920x1080 footage in less than an hour?
            what kind of footage do you have in mind?

            if the Blu-ray disk burner, yes, it should take much less than 1 hour to export a 2 hour timeline

            and if using the AVC/H264 print to file option, the same speed will apply

            for any other formats such as mpeg, HQ, DV, Lossless etc, it depends on the speed of the CPU and has nothing to do with sandy
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            • #21
              I'm talking about mp4 files (1920x1080 50i) taken from Sony EX-3 or Sony PMW-320 and exported to .m2ts like I do today with FCB.
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              • #22
                For me from Timeline to Completed bluray at 2 speed is near realtime with FCB
                and thats the slowest burning speed
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                • #23
                  Hi Zvit.

                  When exporting to any particular codec, including h.264 either via software or hardware from the Edius timeline. You should not notice much of a time difference in the export time, regardless of the source codec. I have done tests with EX footage, HQ, HQX, uncompressed and a few others, and all take roughly the same time to export. While Edius deals with native codecs, it does feed them all into a summing up bus on output or exports. Hence there should be no difference between different sources to the output.

                  If it helps any. When I finish an edit I will usually give the entire timeline a render, whether it it needs it not. this is just a safety measure from the old days, but does help to get around and identify certain problem that can happen at export.

                  Hope this helps.

                  Dave.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Red Union Films View Post
                    When I finish an edit I will usually give the entire timeline a render Dave.
                    We don't have the luxury of time to render for kicks. We have 30 - 45 weddings a month and every second counts. The computer here is NEVER idle and exports and disk burning and capturing is always in effect. every second is vital here.
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                    • #25
                      To render or not to render, that is the question :)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Red Union Films View Post
                        To render or not to render, that is the question :)
                        We started out asking about FCB, got to render or not to render.... I think the subject was if we should feed the poor in Pakistan or South Africa...
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                        • #27
                          I just encoded a 1 hour 45 min timeline in 40 mins to the Bluray preset. DVD Architect accepts without any re encode other than extracting the audio.

                          Ron Evans
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                          • #28
                            Hi Ron.

                            I take it that Sandy Bridge just accelerates the code that is already in the Edius h.264 encoder. As in, it does not add anything other than processing speed, therefore same quality as Edius only export just faster?

                            cheers.

                            dave.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Red Union Films View Post
                              Hi Ron.

                              I take it that Sandy Bridge just accelerates the code that is already in the Edius h.264 encoder. As in, it does not add anything other than processing speed, therefore same quality as Edius only export just faster?

                              cheers.

                              dave.
                              I am not sure Dave. I think it may well be an Intel encoder. Maybe GV can answer.

                              Ron
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                              • #30
                                Thanks Ron.

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