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    GrassValley_SL
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    The advice given was for a specific case . If the user does not want to import all the folders in the bin and you insist for him to use such an option you want to force him to use a method which you think is best.
    As Anton already pointed out they do exactly the same at import to bin.
    The difference is that when you import a sequence you have the choice over what you want to do.
    You don't have to bring anything in the bin , you can copy files to project folder and even the rendered files.
    So essentially when you want choice (as most people want) import sequence is the better way.


    Import sequence is not rocket science.

    Is about choice. You can have every sequence if you want. Just leave the sequence you which to actually need open, as Anton has explained close all other sequences.
    After you have imported that sequence all others are accessible in the bin when you chooses import bin, as are all other files, everything in the project you imported.

    But there are many situations where you don't want to import the bin just the sequence and with the import sequence you can just do that and add only the files in the sequence to a new folder in the bin.

    Yes I have seen the import in the bin function but don't use it because you don't have any control when importing. I even had forgotten it was there.

    Most EDIUS editors I know and I know many use the import sequence. Even some post houses because of choice.

    The great thing is that both methods are presented in this thread. Anyone reading it can decide which method will works best in his/her editing situation.
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  • Red Union Films
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    Hi Zvit.

    The main problem that people have with the import sequence option. Is that unless you have prepared your project that is being imported, and understand the options on the sequence import page, you can have issues bringing in the right sequence.

    The import sequence option relies on factors such as the order of previously opened sequences, their names, and other less than obvious preparations. As a for instance, you where being told to delete every sequence other than the one you want and use this as the imported EZP. While this sounds like advice suspiciously gleaned from another post, it is none the less one way to do it, among a few. But, as you pointed out, you did not want to go doing all that preparation work if you did not have to. besides, there are other issues with this route that make it quite tedious and it can also screw up.

    Importing an EZP into the bin will bring the entire project into your present project, completely intact. Now from here, you have the choice to go direct to the sequence you want, and either use it by itself or copy any number of it's tracks or media into another sequence in your present project. You also have the option to go direct to your media bins from the imported EZP/project. This will allow you to use its, video files, audio files, title files, picture files, in fact anything that was used in the imported project.

    Yes the EZP import will bring in everything, but in my experience it's way more advantageous to have access to everything and not just one sequence. How many times have you remembered that there was something else in another sequence, that you needed, and then had to do the whole stripping and re-importing thing again. Besides, looking at the confusion this import sequence causes due to preparation and import options, even to seasoned users. It would seem that opening an EZP you already know, and being able to cherry pick what you want, is not only much easier, but safer and more intuitive. It must be intuitive, as this is how we all use Edius anyway.

    Here is how you import an entire EZP.

    1. Go to your bin.
    2. Hover your pointer over the root folder, on the left hand side of the fully open bin, under FOLDER.
    3. Right click on your mouse.
    4. Select import.
    5. This option will allow you to select a number of file extensions, one being EZP.
    6. Search for the EZP you need and select it.
    7. Edius will now import the whole EZP in to a new folder in your bin, this new sub bin folder will contain everything from that project, including the easily findable sequence that you need.

    Steve. You asked me where was the import EZP function, I hope the the above helps you.

    Hope this is of help.

    Cheers.

    Dave.

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  • zvit
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    Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
    how about save as, then right click the sequence you wish to keep and choose close all other sequences, this closes all your 49 sequences but does not delete them, then save

    now in your new project, import the other project and you will only see this one new sequence added
    Anthon, it's ok. I understand all the posts here and understand your methods. It's not the open sequences that are the problem. It's the 50+ folders and sequences in my bin. These are the ones I need to delete when I do a save-as. Because my main preset project have all the sequences and aspects of my event projects. When I do something new, it's just 3 - 4 new sequences and I save this as a new project with only ONE bin folder and 3 sequences and delete the rest. Then, if I ever need this, I import the EZP of this into whatever project I'm working on.

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  • GrassValley_SL
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    Yes the import sequence method form the timeline drop down is the best way if you want choice.
    It is also the method most used because of the possible selections.
    The cleaning a up a copy to only import what you want or need is also very good.

    This is what I teach because it is logical and everyone gets it. ;)
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  • antonsvideo
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    Originally posted by Red Union Films View Post
    Steve.

    Sorry, this is getting beyond silly. You have not even tried my method of opening the EZP direct as an import by right clicking and selecting direct to the bin.

    As an admin you really should be setting a better standard, not going after and discrediting a users suggestions.

    There are two options for people to follow here, one may suit better than the other.

    I will have no more to do with the insanity of this particular thread.

    Dave.
    I have tried your method, it works almost the same as import sequence

    your method: no control over what is imported

    import sequence method: everything is imported just as in your case, but the user has choice about copying source files and render files or choice of importing bin or not

    essentially, both methods import the lot, including all sequences

    in an ideal world, if one could choose import sequence, project x, sequence3, that would be wonderful

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  • GrassValley_SL
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    No one is discrediting you I only explain what we are talking about.
    That's how we have always directed users. Use the import sequence from the drop down on the timeline.
    If it was not very clear I hope the pictures clear up any confusion.
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    Originally posted by GrassValley_SL View Post
    Anton and I both are talking about import sequence on the timeline.
    Because you cannot import an ezp under import project.
    If you found a way please share it.
    Steve.

    Sorry, this is getting beyond silly. You have not even tried my method of opening the EZP direct as an import by right clicking and selecting direct to the bin.

    As an admin you really should be setting a better standard, not going after and discrediting a users suggestions.

    There are two options for people to follow here, one may suit better than the other.

    I will have no more to do with the insanity of this particular thread.

    Dave.

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    Anton and I both are talking about import sequence on the timeline.
    Because you cannot import an ezp under import project.
    If you found a way please share it.

    We still name import project in EDIUS : import sequence . Some may not agree with it others agree but that is what it is called.
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    Originally posted by GrassValley_SL View Post
    What you don't get is that importing the ezp is done through:
    Import sequence.
    So you are not saying anything different you just show how to import all the ballast when most won't need that.
    We show import what you need. It is also done via the ezp.
    So there actually is only one method of importing .
    Steve.

    Right click in your bin and select import, then select EZP. This is not the same function as above or one a derivative of the other and it's results are not the same. The EZP import is not selective, and gives the best choice.

    I was only giving someone the best advice on what they where trying to do, so there really was no need for you to correct me over something that did not need correcting.

    Maybe my view does not suit you, that's fine. Like I said before, the user now has a choice. Which can only be a good thing.

    Dave.

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  • GrassValley_SL
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    Have you looked at it in EDIUS6?
    I do this all the time and know exactly what it does.
    Import sequence an ezp import.

    With bin and copy if you chose and Copy of files to the new project.

    Please enlighten us.

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  • Red Union Films
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    Btw import sequence is how you import a project (EZP) from the dropdown.
    IF you get that then I see nothing different in what we are suggesting.
    It is almost the same we only suggest a clean-up.


    Steve.

    I am not wanting to get in to an argument, but you are wrong. Both these functions are very different, and found in different places. The result of a sequence import, is nowhere near as flexible as an EZP/project import, by it's very nature it can't be. I wrote up very extensive notes for GV over the pros and cons of the sequence import function, so am more familiar than most with it.

    Try doing an import of a full blown EZP with many media bins, many other separate asset bins and loads of sequences. Then compare it's flexibility with that of a sequence import.

    Cheers.

    Dave.

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    What you don't get is that importing the ezp is done through:
    Import sequence.
    So you are not saying anything different you just show how to import all the ballast when most won't need that.
    We show import what you need. It is also done via the ezp.
    So there actually is only one method of importing .
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    Steve.

    My suggestion not only works for Zvit's request but also the original user request. My suggestion is also a better option, as it does not need any special requirements, and it also gives the user access to everything in the imported EZP with the same flexibility as if they where working with the original.

    Not forcing someone to use just one way, is cool. But when one way is faster and better with more options, I don't see why pointing it out should be an issue. The usual point to such requests, is for the quickest and best suited solution.

    Anyway, there is a choice of following your recommendation or mine, like you say, a choice .

    Cheers.

    Dave

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  • GrassValley_SL
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    The reason is that the person who asked does not want to do that. Certainly we don't want to force one way of doing it but we give a method which is much closer to want the OP wants not what we think is better.

    Btw import sequence is how you import a project (EZP) from the drop-down.
    IF you get that then I see nothing different in what we are suggesting.
    It is almost the same we only suggest a clean-up.
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    Hi Zvit.

    The import sequence function is made quite redundant by the import EZP/project function. This will give you access to anything in the project, not just one sequence and it's associated media. The import EZP is also much faster as there is no special preparation that you have to do. I really don't understand why people are advising the sequence route over project, unless I am missing point somewhere. Give it a try, I am quite sure you will be happy with it.

    Hope this helps.

    Dave.

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