Best Export Option For Final Cut pro

[sarahstaar]

What is the Best Export Option from edius For apple Final Cut pro.

HD and SD

[Red Union Films]

Hi Sarah.

Use either the Sony EX or 422 exporter, and then use the Sony plugin in FCP to import. Either way is good for anything up to 4:2:2, and most importantly you avoid the Quicktime gamma shift. You can also do the reverse to go from FCP to Edius.

Cheers.

dave.

[Andreas_Gumm]

Another good & reliable way is using Antons workflow:

http://www.videoproductions.com.au/html/fcp-export.html

[Red Union Films]

Another good way is using Antons workflow:
http://www.videoproductions.com.au/html/fcp-export.html

I think you will find that this method will introduce the QT gamma issue.

Cheers.

Dave.

[Andreas_Gumm]

I think you will find that this method will introduce the QT gamma issue.

Cheers.

Dave.

Dave, since I have no FCP in my environment, did you test both ways?
I really know what you mean, but the way H264 export from EDIUS for FCP was working good every time I used it (got
no negative response from my clients). I just got QT gamma issues only in the opposite way H264 from FCP -> EDIUS.

You are right that using other formats than Quicktime will prevent us from gamma shifts.

Cheers

[Red Union Films]

Dave, since I have no FCP in my environment, did you test both ways?
I really know what you mean, but the way H264 export from EDIUS for FCP was working good every time I used it (got
no negative response from my clients). I just got QT gamma issues only in the opposite way H264 from FCP -> EDIUS.

You are right that using other formats than Quicktime will prevent us from gamma shifts.

Cheers

I am working very extensively in a FCP environment. Using anything where QT becomes involved with the codec is a no no, this can even mean h264 that QT did not encode. My method is 100% safe, and will give brilliant visual results considering at least a single transcode will be necessary. I have done this with 10bit 422 master input doing a round trip, Edius to FCP and back to Edius, using the Sony HD 422 format. Although this rounds down to 8 bit, the picture quality is brilliant, and for anything 8 bit 422 or below, will make no difference.

Sarah. Have a look at both these threads, they will give you some indication as to quality change and formats that FCP will read, you can also test for yourself the gamma issue. Download the various files and use them to see what best suits your needs, and do some re-compression etc. with 10bit file, again to look for quality and QT problems.

http://ediusforum.grassvalley.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22363

http://ediusforum.grassvalley.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22275

Cheers.

Dave

[henry poon]

oh, thanks for all prompt and great help!

henry

[Jim N]

I dont know if DVCPRO HD is the BEST format but I suspect it is an OK format to use as a sub full HD option.

Advantages are slightly simpler workflow with direct import.

Jim

[Red Union Films]

Hi Jim.

Unfortunately neither Canopus DVCPRO HD or DVCPRO formatted AVI's are seen either by QT or FCP. Have not tried P2 with FCP, but even if it can it still would not do a straight import of the MXF file. It would have to go through a similar import/utility route like XD-CAM does, which again would unfortunately negate the simplicity of dragging a file to a bin. For 8bit and for now, the Sony formats look the easiest and best way, and there is 422 option.

Maybe the next update to Edius will see a standard 10bit uncompressed AVI option, that can be seen outside of Edius. This would of course completely open up Edius to a wider post production workflow when working on file based projects, which is becoming more the norm.

Cheers.


Dave.

[JohnnyD]

I have sent many P2 folders made from Edius to FCP users. I tell them to install Raylight, very cheap, and they just drag to bin. No conversion. They're very happy, because my uploads to FTP's are cut more than half than using ProRez.

JohnnyD

Hi Jim.

Unfortunately neither Canopus DVCPRO HD or DVCPRO formatted AVI's are seen either by QT or FCP. Have not tried P2 with FCP, but even if it can it still would not do a straight import of the MXF file. It would have to go through a similar import/utility route like XD-CAM does, which again would unfortunately negate the simplicity of dragging a file to a bin. For 8bit and for now, the Sony formats look the easiest and best way, and there is 422 option.

Maybe the next update to Edius will see a standard 10bit uncompressed AVI option, that can be seen outside of Edius. This would of course completely open up Edius to a wider post production workflow when working on file based projects, which is becoming more the norm.

Cheers.


Dave.

[Red Union Films]

Hi Johnny.

Although this will work, it does cost $150.00. FCP can also import for free via log etc. But the idea was to suggest the simplest free method. For now maybe the Sony formats are best.

Cheers.

Dave.

[Andrzej]

Depending on required quality/space and SD v HD there are few ways of exporting to FCP.

For SD you can export to QT Component codec (uncompressed 8bit, 422) or even RGB- with proper setting in QT exporter there is no shift of gamma or colors.

For HD- AVC-I if good enough or export to YUY2 AVI and than re-wrapping to QT using ffmpeg. Re-wrapping is as fast as your RAID.

XDCAM HD is quite destructive- also FCP does not (as far as know) support smart rendering, so you create another generation of MPEG2- not the best thing to do at all.

[Red Union Films]

Depending on required quality/space and SD v HD there are few ways of exporting to FCP.

For SD you can export to QT Component codec (uncompressed 8bit, 422) or even RGB- with proper setting in QT exporter there is no shift of gamma or colors.

For HD- AVC-I if good enough or export to YUY2 AVI and than re-wrapping to QT using ffmpeg. Re-wrapping is as fast as your RAID.

XDCAM HD is quite destructive- also FCP does not (as far as know) support smart rendering, so you create another generation of MPEG2- not the best thing to do at all.

Welcome to the forum And :)

My suggestion was for 8bit 4:2:0, and the Sony HD 4:2:2 is fast easy and well enough for interchanging files with FCP at this level. FCP does not re-encode it, so no gen loss there.

As you know, there are many ways to skin a cat. With all these methods discussed, at least Edius to FCP users have some good methods to choose from.

Cheers :)

Dave.

[JohnnyD]

The first post said: "What is the BEST Export Option from edius For apple Final Cut pro."
And the BEST option for me is a P2 Folder. $150 for Raylight is very cheap for my clients. And they can edit right from the P2 cards in the camera, using Raylight. Talking about fast and easy. And the color, gamma is not an issue.

JohnnyD

HD and SD

Hi Johnny.

Although this will work, it does cost $150.00. FCP can also import for free via log etc. But the idea was to suggest the simplest free method. For now maybe the Sony formats are best.

Cheers.

Dave.

[Andrzej]

Or this or 90$

http://www.calibratedsoftware.com/store/MacOSXIndividualStore.asp