EDIUS on a Mac Pro

[David Clarke]

I was saying if I put windows and MAC on the same drive I have problems restoring images of the o/s, if on separate drives it is generally ok, same as your experience and a general concensus of everyone who posts here.

I have had problems depending on which drive in the MAC pro has windows - I think it prefers to have windows on a drive in bay 1, where as it seems the MAC o/s drive could be in bay 2 or 3. They are not insurmountable problems - mainly when I boot up it will got into the wrong o/s, just time consuming an annoying. And of course more recent MACS (mine is 3 years old) may work differently.

[Paranova Films]

2 things:

one bad about my graphic driver.. bad luck: i update the driver and video goes away, finito, kaput... creen goes black and i got to restore, i already contact evga support and waiting the answer...

one veeeeeeeeeeeery good:

about this: http://ediusforum.grassvalley.com/fo...ight=nevermindi'm happy to discover the video signal keeping on my external monitor even focusing a diffrent app!!!

thanks GV!

[Paranova Films]

hmmmm i can restore Windows or MAC with no problems, just using a diffrent drive... the internal for Windows and the LaCIE for MAC and working with no problems

my previos machine has 8 gb RAM and with windows xp it only shows 2 gb, but, after installein XP 64 bit it is showing the 8 gb

right now i'm updating my W7 and found that there are new graphic drivers, gonna check if this solve my problems of my graphic card

[David Clarke]

I have a 3 year old MAC pro, with bootcamp running Windows 7 and MACs. I have them on separet drives as everyone else suggest. After installing Windows put in the install disc for MAC OSX and it will actually have some drivers for Windows which you should install. It will also install some software that lets you read MAC format discs in Windows.

If I install Windows on the same drive as MAC o/s I have problems making and restore images of either o/s. Separate drives works better. Rebooting from MAC o/s to PC o/s takes as long as shutting down the machine and starting it again.
Using Windows 7 64 bit not XP. I do not know if this is the same for all MACS but mine will only see 2GB RAM on the MAC (which has 5GB) under Windows Xp and I never found anyway to make it work. Under Windows 7 I can see lots of RAM

I currently have a FireCoder Blu installed and it works fine. I have also used NX and SPARKS in it. I have also installed eSATA cards, and many others and provided they have MAC and PC drivers they work in both os.

If you just need a PC don't buy a MAC. Installing bootcamp and maintaining 2 o/s does take a bit of effort. But using Bootcamp you can get access to both systems and it works normally.

[GrassValley_SL]

hmmm... i didn't remember that... i can not update my graphic card driver, if i do, it would work no more... some times i get black screen flashes and a message like "you graphic diver has stopped to work and restored..." i thing i just learned to live with this and didn't pay attention

I have done this on 2 Mac pro's for 3 years and don't have any issue.
If you use Windows it is just a pc that's why windows update can update the drivers.
Also run the Intel update utility to let it check if everything Intel inside has the latest drivers.

Did you check your directx install?

[Red Union Films]

What Steve is saying is absolutely correct, I have updated the drivers on 2 MacPro's from standard Win7/Vista 64 drivers from the ATI/AMD site. Besides, Win7 installs most of the drivers anyway. Although I don't use bootcamp, I believe the package comes with Win drivers, and the latest one has newer drivers. Macs use a very limited amount of graphic cards, it really isn't that hard to find the right driver. If you know what version of the MacPro you are using, you can find out it's component list, and just find the equivalent Win drivers for it's system hardware and components. Remember, it is basically a very well designed Intel PC.

Cheers.

Dave.

[Paranova Films]

hmmm... i didn't remember that... i can not update my graphic card driver, if i do, it would work no more... some times i get black screen flashes and a message like "you graphic diver has stopped to work and restored..." i thing i just learned to live with this and didn't pay attention

[GrassValley_SL]

Graphics driver for Windows?

Just download it for the manufacturer. I have been updating all my windows drivers like that since 2008.
For the ATI cards I go to AMD windows downloads select my card presto New drivers.

[Geoff]

I'm interested in using a separate Win Boot Disk rather than Boot Camp, but how do you go about having the correct graphics driver?

Another point, I was unable to get Firecoder Blu to be accessed from its software although it was recognised together with its driver in the Windows Device Manager. Has anyone managed to get it recognised? I'm using a 2011 quad core MacPro.

Otherwise I've had no problems with E.6 on the MacPro.

Geoff

[Paranova Films]

ok Again Thanks Steve, Steve, Dave and everybody...




and here we are: Mr Hernando (our tech guy) and me, and we agree to not even test parallell.

about using bootcamp or diffrent bootable drives we found this:

this MACPRO has space for 4 physical disks,

we have 1 for generic data like libraries, driver installers, audios, graphics or other common files we need in Windows and/or MAC; 1 partitioned from MAC and bootcamp and it has the OS (Win7 64 bit and MAC and 2 drives form a RAID un Windows (as a single drive of course) so, in this moment, we do not see the choice of having another drive for booting OS.

The only thing we doubt is to form a RAID that we can use in the two OS.

BTW: this system (EDIUS in a MacPro) is the most stable of all we have here

[Red Union Films]

Hi José.

Seriously, don't bother with Parallels. Anything running under emulation will only cause a lot of problems. Plus Edius and all of it's components will not run properly. Even if you feel you should try it to make up your own mind, you will only regret doing so and loose time better spent on editing. The advice of those telling you not to bother, is through experience. Just stick with either bootcamp or a native Win7 install, either one will work, as you already know.

Cheers.

Dave.

[Paranova Films]

so... parallel would give us the chance of having Windows without restarting but we would have no...?

[GrassValley_PS]

I can confirm Steve and Dave's findings. Running Edius via Bootcamp is very smooth and only takes a short time to boot up. Really no longer than a regular machine. As a Mac boots up faster than a PC in normal conditions some people used to Macs might think it is too long.

I tried running under Parallels and was not happy with it. We also have Mac Drive.

[Paranova Films]

Thanks, i'm gonna search and see if it would be possible, and i agree: Being able to use one powerful computer for workflow, make that working in edius be a fresh walk in the woods...

i'm curious about the ways of sharing raided data

[Red Union Films]

Hi José.

Don't worry about installing Win7 and Edius on a separate drive. It does not in any way invalidate your Mac warranty. Believe me, although bootcamp is a good option, using Win7 raw on a separate boot drive is more stable. Where ever possible you should avoid partitions and sharing different OS's on the same drive. You can still share data completely between NTFS FAT etc. and the Mac Journaled etc. by installing MacDrive or similar on the Win7 disc and the Mac OSX is ok for seeing the Win7 drives anyway.

When you boot the machine you simply hold the ALT key, and the Mac will give you the option for booting between the Win7 and OSX discs. This is how I work with one of my clients at their studio. When I finish an Edius edit, I do my HQ and HQX masters as normal, but also do XDCAM-EX for sharing masters with FCP on the same system without the QT gamma issue. I use CS5.5 under OSX for preparing stills etc. then simply save the files to one of the internal media drives, re-boot into Win7/edius and use the files in Edius. No losing any software or investment in the Mac it's OS and software, but give it the ability and flexibility of using the best NLE on a Mac. There are even ways of sharing raided data if you need to, and sharing network data. All in all, the most flexible computer setup for A/V post production.

This is not a Mac V PC thing. It's quite simply a case of using one of the most powerful personal computers you can buy, a Mac Pro. Then simply use the OS that allows you to use the application software you need for your production work. It may not be what Apple intended, but this really is the most flexible computer you can use for serious post work. It's all about using the best tools to get the job done. Being able to use one powerful computer for your workflow, edit in Edius, colour in DaVinci, use CS5 for whatever, has to be a complete no brainer.

Maybe ask your tech guy to take a look into the dual boot drive setup.

Hope this helps.

Cheers.

Dave.