Concatenating sequences

[GrassValley_SL]

That is something I would not need because you can see each frame in the player and recorder window where as waveforms are only visible on the timeline. :)

[GrassValley_PS]

And joy would be unbounded if Edius had a full picon display!

Ray L

I have to say that I do not think this is high on the wihslist of a lot of Edius users where as the waveform is on the list of every person that uses nested sequences.

[Red Union Films]

For want of a better word, Tobe's workflow is "perfect" when using Edius. I do the same, and it's never got in the way. Although the audio thing may be questionable, depending on your point of view. If the original sequences properties are something that need seeing to, then go back to the original sequence and correct it. Sequencing is sequencing, if you jump the gun before this point then maybe the original sequence elements where not right. Doing this type of editing is all down to planning and accepting that late changes will always cause some amount of grief. Edius is just as flexible as any other pro NLE, and if anyone of them was perfect for everyone, then that would be just like bottling lightening. For what it's worth my advice is, get to understand the strengths and weaknesses of whatever NLE you use, and make it work for you.

Edius is a tool, and content is king.

Cheers.

Dave.

[Philip]

Edius is a tool, and content is king.

Cheers.

Dave.

Dave....can you PLEASE explain that to MacHeads about their NLE? Would make our lives less stressful. :-)

[Red Union Films]

Hi Philip.

Unfortunately, those who live their lives in the world where style over content is the order of the day, may never understand. It's a bit like Yoda trying to explain to Vader that using Alderaan for target practice, ain't so cool :)

But seriously. I find that type of person on all platforms not just Mac. To be honest, I just switch off when I come across vacuous people who don't understand that it's all about the content. Blaming tools and pointing fingers are not the way to completion. Although it's quite amazing the amount of people who are taken in by something shiny and either don't know how to or don't understand scratching below the surface.

Cheers.

Dave.

[Tobe]

Whew...glad I'm doing something right! Seriously, I agree totally with Dave...content is king.
By the way, Dave, what does "Spectrum is Green" refer to? Or is that a topic for the Lounge?
T.

[Red Union Films]

Hi Tobe.

S.I.G or Spectrum Is Green, is from my favorite Gerry & Sylvia Anderson show from when I was a kid, Captain Scarlet And The Mysterons. The Anderson's are pure genius, similar to Gene Roddenberry but with mostly animatronics/puppets/marionettes. With their own self styled animation creation, Supermarionation. In the Anderson world Captain Scarlet could be compared to DS9 in the Roddenberry world, darker than the other creations. In my opinion they where both creators of excellent content. Although they where behind many shows, including some live action such as Space 1999 and UFO. You may be more familiar with their most popular creation, Thunderbirds.

Thanks for asking.

Dave.

[Tobe]

Man, am I out of it!
Thanks, Dave :-)

[RayL]

For what it's worth my advice is, get to understand the strengths and weaknesses of whatever NLE you use, and make it work for you.

Edius is a tool, and content is king.

Cheers.

Dave.

When buying a car, you would not expect to have to put your arm out of the window to signal left or right. The car manufacturer builds on the strengths as designs progress, and leaves out the weaknesses.

These days manufacturers put the direction indicator as a stalk on the steering column but there might be some who prefer to stick their arm out of the window. Is it reasonable for them to say "I don't use the stalk, so you dont need the stalk, so it doesn't have to be there"?

I ask, because I often come across this attitude in the video editing world. A feature which makes certain types of editing easier and quicker (and a full picon display is a particularly good example because it has been a feature of video editing software since the earliest examples in the 1990s) is not used by some editors. Their reaction is "I don't use a full picon display, so you don't need it, so it doesn't have to be there".

When put as plainly as that, do those who use such an argument not feel a bit uncomfortable?

'understand the strengths and weaknesses' is like saying 'put up with second best'. Why have a weakness when a strength is better?

Ray

[David Clarke]

Adobe Premiere Pro has an option to display waveforms of nested sequences and the problem with it is that everytime any audio is changed in the main sequence it has to be remade which takes time. Most of the time I turn it off because it generally kicks in redrawing the sequence timeline waveform when you just want to play the timeline.

It is the same as the other request for waveforms - make the program show the waveform after any effects or audio adjustments have been made. It would be great if programs did this because then the waveform would reflect what you can hear. They do not because the effort involved would stop other things happening.

[Red Union Films]

When buying a car, you would not expect to have to put your arm out of the window to signal left or right. The car manufacturer builds on the strengths as designs progress, and leaves out the weaknesses.

These days manufacturers put the direction indicator as a stalk on the steering column but there might be some who prefer to stick their arm out of the window. Is it reasonable for them to say "I don't use the stalk, so you dont need the stalk, so it doesn't have to be there"?

I ask, because I often come across this attitude in the video editing world. A feature which makes certain types of editing easier and quicker (and a full picon display is a particularly good example because it has been a feature of video editing software since the earliest examples in the 1990s) is not used by some editors. Their reaction is "I don't use a full picon display, so you don't need it, so it doesn't have to be there".

When put as plainly as that, do those who use such an argument not feel a bit uncomfortable?

'understand the strengths and weaknesses' is like saying 'put up with second best'. Why have a weakness when a strength is better?

Ray

Hi Ray.

Every NLE has strengths and weakness, it's just a fact. These attributes are usually the deciding factor in a purchase, at least for pro use. I know a couple of editors who have jumped ship to Edius because some of it's strengths are in keeping with their particular workflow. I also know editors who work on other NLE's and would never move, because they get what they want out of it and moving would only disrupt their workflow. There will always be a weakness somewhere, to think otherwise is a little naive.

You asked a valid question on an open forum, and have had a few answers from very experienced Edius users with great workflow solutions. If you don't like the answers, that's fair enough. But please show some respect for those who are prepared to help you and share their experiences. We don't all agree with each other all the time, but dare I say, that's one of the many beauties of this forum.

If you have taken issue to my comments, by all means please feel free to PM me. Please don't twist peoples words, "I don't use a full picon display, so you don't need it, so it doesn't have to be there". That never got said, and like most I never read it with that intention.

If my comment about content being king is something that you do not agree with. Then maybe you would not understand what I was saying in the first place.

Cheers.

Dave.

[RayL]

Hi Dave

My question was indeed answered and I expressed my thanks.

There are not many video editing programs with professional features - they can be just about counted on the fingers of one hand. This limited choice means that it is all the more important that users keep manufacturers aware of the ways in which their products are used and the ways in which they could be improved. For example. I would regard smooth timeline scrubbing in both pictures and sound as a necessary feature of a video editing program (smooth enough that drawing the mouse steadily along the timeline is indistinguishable from 1x playback). Vegas fails this test, so the limited choice is reduced by one. Edius passes this test

it was not my intention to twist your words, hence my placing of your words, and my reaction, in a separate paragraph. If I understood you correctly, you used the word 'content' to mean the material that is being edited to produce an end result - if so, then I agree completely - it is quality of the content and the quality of the end result that matters. Editing software may be just a tool, but a good tool achieves that result easier and quicker. Feedback and open discussion help to improve the tool.

Ray

[GrassValley_SL]

The original question has been answered . We are going off topic here I suggest that it continues in the lounge.
Thanks.