I use Edius 10 hours a day -- 365.

[laddi.b]

Sadly as Anton said
"I personally don't like the extra steps of all day long enabling and disabling track patches".

Are you guys saying this is an immutable part of the new workflow and we should love or lump it?

[GrassValley_SL]

Yes this is the workflow of EDIUS 6.
But depending on needs you don't have to do much enabling or disabling.
Remember that 7 and 8 are the keyboard shorts .

Arrow up and down move the track patches.

[laddi.b]

Call me weird but as an editor I prefer fewer keystrokes and such.

[GrassValley_SL]

That's not weird. I do understand where you are coming form, but in order to expand our usability within different Broadcast and Production environments we needed to add this functionality.

Due to the depth of the changes we could not keep the whole old workflow.

I know it is different and may require a bit more strokes sometimes but I think that if you try to work within the EDIUS 6 workflow it will become second nature.

[OneQuickSix]

I know it is different and may require a bit more strokes sometimes ...

Sometimes? For most editors, that would be pretty much ALL THE TIME, unless I'm missing something. I would like to second Anton's request of "a user selectable on/off option (use or don't use track patches)". I think this would be relatively easy to implement, would it not?

Can you PLEASE pass this on to the engineers so that we might see it in a future 6.x release. It may not seem like much when you do it just a few times, but when you are doing it for many hours a day, those little clicks not only add up to a LOT OF WASTED TIME, but also becomes quite annoying both mentally AND physically.

I work in After Effects about 10-12 hours a day sometimes, and the smallest of "ergonomic feature" improvements over the versions has saved me thousands of dollars in time (easily), not to mention my sanity.

Best,
Tim

[laddi.b]

I hear you and appreciate the explanation. Quite an ironic twist though from where I sit:
In Edius I had found a workflow far superior to the competition. And then, in order to win over users of the competition, Edius changes my workflow to resemble the competition's.

[GrassValley_SL]

Sometimes? For most editors, that would be pretty much ALL THE TIME, unless I'm missing something. I would like to second Anton's request of "a user selectable on/off option (use or don't use track patches)". I think this would be relatively easy to implement, would it not?

No if it was we would have done it.
We have been very honest about the enormous changes in the EDIUS 6 workflow from the start. We even suggested on the forum that people should to try EDIUS 6 and see if it would fit their workflow.

Can you PLEASE pass this on to the engineers so that we might see it in a future 6.x release.

We have a long time ago and as I explained it is not possible due to the fundamental changes done . Certain part of EDIUS where completely rewritten.

It may not seem like much when you do it just a few times, but when you are doing it for many hours a day, those little clicks not only add up to a LOT OF WASTED TIME, but also becomes quite annoying both mentally AND physically.

I work in After Effects about 10-12 hours a day sometimes, and the smallest of "ergonomic feature" improvements over the versions has saved me thousands of dollars in time (easily), not to mention my sanity.

Best,
Tim

I edit and am also an EDIUS teacher and I have little issue using my keyboard shortcuts to achieve what I want.

My best advice at this time as we have posted before as honest as I can be :if you find that the EDIUS 6 workflow is not what you expected it is better to use EDIUS 5 instead of fighting with a workflow which does not work for you.

We may or may not have a few improvements based on feedback but for now as it stand this workflow is fundamental to the growth of EDIUS as and editing application in markets we want to expand in to.
That's where we stand today.

[OneQuickSix]

I hear you and appreciate the explanation. Quite an ironic twist though from where I sit:
In Edius I had found a workflow far superior to the competition. And then, in order to win over users of the competition, Edius changes my workflow to resemble the competition's.

+1 Sir, +1. (Exactly.)

[GrassValley_SL]

Those decisions are made higher op the chain and have a reason behind it......

[OneQuickSix]

No if it was we would have done it.
We have been very honest about the enormous changes in the EDIUS 6 workflow from the start. We even suggested on the forum that people should to try EDIUS 6 and see if it would fit their workflow.

REALLY SORRY to hear that, it's a shame. It seems to be becoming the UN-Edius then, in many ways.

Also, I don't remember seeing that particular change in any of the what's new videos, and I believe I watched them all. It seems to me this would be a VERY IMPORTANT change you would want to "warn us" about. Did I just miss it?

Furthermore, very recently I asked for Edius 6 "gotchas" in new post, and this was never mentioned. I find this to be a very big "gotcha." Really, anything that entails more work is a serious caveat in my book . I don't care if there IS a keyboard shortcut -- in fact, it would be laughable if there was NOT one, come on now -- that does not overturn the fact that extra steps are required for each and every edit.

I hope the strategy pays off for GV as they alienate their core and original users. Definitely don't want to see Edius go under, so if this is what they felt necessary to "pay the bills" or face elimination of the product, obviously I'd take the lesser of the two evils.

[Harro]

It's a pity that to please possible new clients. old ones are alienated. This argurment of "get used to the new workflow, like it or lump it" I find rather odd. If software has been "rewritten" then these features can, and should have been implemented as options. I find it hard to swallow some of the excuses that have been forwaded regarding this matter.

[pjsssss]

To say that all edits take longer is just not true. There are a few things that do, but they are minimum. People need to think outside of their own workflows and consider that there are other types of workflows that deserve equal consideration.

Sure everyone says, just make it a choice. If it was easy, every single option would be a choice. We all would be happy. But that is totally unrealistic for any NLE.

Too many times we are getting wrapped up on little things and lose track of the big picture. The track patches are actually easier to use in most situations. There are some problems in certain situations (mostly VA track situation).

Please understand that there is always work going on to make things better. Sometimes what is initially put out is the best that can be done in the time constraints for an upgrade.

[GrassValley_PS]

This is turning to something outside the scope of this forum. Explanations have been made.