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  • HD 16:9 preview via Nx S-VHS

    I'm sure there is nothing that can be done for this, but I'm just curious. HD and 16:9 in Edius is all new to me, so I'm sorry if this is question is a bit dense.

    I have captured from HD camera using capture settings of HQ 1440x1080 50i. I think this is the correct setting. The footage certainly looks fine and when exported to DVD, it also looked fine.

    However, at present, my preview monitor is a simple CRT 4:3 TV connected to the NX card via S-VHS. When I have project settings set to HD, I get no output on this monitor. This is fine as I presume that the S-VHS connection does not down-convert HD to SD for preview.

    I then decided to change the project settings to SD so I could preview on the output monitor. This worked except I cannot find any 16:9 SD preset. They all seem to be 720x576 (PAL) settings. The result is the preview monitor shows the footage zoomed to 4:3 with sides missing.

    Should there not be a project setting for SD 16:9? Or do I have to select the 720x576 SD preset and then change the properties of every clip so that the pix aspect ratio is different? I'm not even sure I can do that, and even if I could it would seem insane!

    BTW: Yes, I will be getting a proper 16:9 HD monitor in the near future. But since I just bought two new HD cameras, mony is a bit tight at the moment!

    Thanks
    Martin
    Windows 10 Pro. Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming mainboard, Intel i7-8700K processor, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM, Radeon R9 270 2GB DDR5 Graphics.
    Samsung SSD Drives for system and mixture of SSD and 7200 SATA for video storage.

    Edius 9.50. Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4k
    Dublin, Ireland. PAL.

  • #2
    the NX has 2 hardware 16:9 settings, 16:9 DV 720x576 and 16:9 D1 720x576, both will work fine but will never look correct on a 4:3 monitor that does not gave a switch for 16:9

    no info will be missing at all, but everyone will look tall and skinny, good for some :)
    Anton Strauss
    Antons Video Productions - Sydney

    EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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    • #3
      Anton, yes, I think I had tried those settings too last night and as you say, tall and skinny (which would be good if film was of me). I guess I was hoping for a switcher, like a DVD does.

      To be honest, I'm not surprised it's not in there. Anyone editing 16:9 footage should have a 16:9 monitor!

      Now I have to buy a new 16:9 LCD TV. I can't justify the cost of a professional monitor. Any recommendations? I was looking at some of the new Samsungs. They seem to have fairly good contract ratio. I think a 23" HD 16:9 screen would do me.

      Thanks for the answers
      Martin
      Windows 10 Pro. Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming mainboard, Intel i7-8700K processor, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM, Radeon R9 270 2GB DDR5 Graphics.
      Samsung SSD Drives for system and mixture of SSD and 7200 SATA for video storage.

      Edius 9.50. Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4k
      Dublin, Ireland. PAL.

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      • #4
        open the TV and put a small screwdriver in a pot that says V-height and turn until you see black bars top and bottom and the aspect looks close enough

        don't get zapped, be careful
        Anton Strauss
        Antons Video Productions - Sydney

        EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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        • #5
          Yes, be very mindful of the main lead that runs along the centre to the back of the tube. Not that I recommend even contemplating opening up your TV.

          Some 4:3 TVs from a more recent era do actually offer a "widescreen enhanced" mode buried in their menu system - this is simply to display an anamorphic picture in its correct AR. Have a check of your TV manual?

          Otherwise, if it's merely to preview, save the project in HD, start a new 4:3 project and import the HD sequence - stuff should be auto letterboxed for your viewing enjoyment.

          Your only other option is a scaler, running between the NX and the tv. Brandon knows more about them then I do.

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          • #6
            A number of TVs automatically support 16:9, or have a 16:9 mode.
            It is quite likely, however, that your SVHS deck does not recognize the 16:9 flag (if it is present at all), so unless your TV has a widescreen mode or scan-compression, you will need to live with the "skinny people" picture.

            It's probably not worth getting a scaler just for this. I would put that money toward getting a 16:9 HD display.

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            • #7
              software solution

              work in a 4x3 Edius project settings - you'll see letter box on your 4x3 TV

              when you finish your editing chenge proj back to 16x9 and export ...
              Dan-Petru Varga
              DV PRO

              Intel i9-7960X, Alphacool Eisbaer 280 CPU Cooler, ASUS TUF X299 MARK 1, 64GB RAM, Nvidia Quadro P4000, Samsung M.2 SSDs, Intensity Pro 4K, Windows 10, BeQuiet Dark Base Pro 900

              Intel i7-8700K, Noctua NH-D15, Asus Z370 Prime, 32GB RAM, Nvidia GTX1050TI, Samsung M.2 SSDs, Windows 10, Fractal Design Define R5

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              • #8
                Your only other option is a scaler, running between the NX and the tv. Brandon knows more about them then I do.
                Thanks everyone.

                Yes, I'm not going to waste much time or effort trying to get this to work on a 4:3 screen. I was looking at this TV in the 23" model. Anyone every use it:

                http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/t...6r87bdxxeu.asp

                Thanks
                Martin
                Windows 10 Pro. Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming mainboard, Intel i7-8700K processor, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM, Radeon R9 270 2GB DDR5 Graphics.
                Samsung SSD Drives for system and mixture of SSD and 7200 SATA for video storage.

                Edius 9.50. Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4k
                Dublin, Ireland. PAL.

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                • #9
                  Since you have the NX, you shouldn't have problems connecting to this monitor via a Component BNC to RCA adapter...but then again, SD might not look so good on it, and scaling is all dependent on your LCD's capabilities.

                  When I use FCP, sometimes I use my second 20" Samsung LCD, and the scaling looks kind of bad, even though it's software based. HD projects will look fantastic, though.

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