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  • Export of XDCAM HD422 @24p is not supported! Isn't it part of the spec?

    I got an 24p DCP MXF master on HDD as source from customer who demands an XDCAM HD 422 master on HDD.
    So I have expected that exporting to the native frame (24p) rate shouldn't be a problem XDCAM HD 422.
    But it is! No export template for 24p is present.

    Does anybody know something about the specific formats, frame rates & resolutions supported by "XDCAM HD 422" standard?
    Does the "XDCAM HD 422" standard not support 24p?

    THX in advance for answering!
    Andreas Gumm
    post production / authoring
    PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
    ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
    Windows 7 Ultimate,
    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
    GV hardware: 3G Storm
    software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
    PC 2
    Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
    Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
    GV hardware: HD SPARK
    software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

  • #2
    Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
    24fps is not that common format. Not sure about XDCAM HD, but I would expect it to support 23.976fps, not 24fps. You have to slow down to 23.976fps.
    Mmmh,
    since cameras can be over-cranked it should be a supported format because 24 fps is the most common format in cinemas across the world & not uncommon in production environment.
    I know XDCAM isn't indeed the common delivery format for such material but it should be possible to archive the frame rate.

    On the other hand I thought that other generic MXF formats should be working with 24p! No chance! Can't export with 24p to the MXF formats: MPEG, AVC, JPEG2000!
    Sometimes I have to deliver content for cinema projection. In this case 23.976 isn't ideal because the digital projection systems are most optimized for 24fps.

    Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
    The best is Vdub- just assume new fps and export in Direct Stream mode. No data gets changed- just header.
    I did it in EDIUS by exporting the whole clip after assembling the DCP file parts & reimporting it in a new 23,976p project (named as 23.98 in EDIUS)!

    Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
    You have to than slow down audio 0.1%- but don't do any pitch correction,
    as this is tiny change. Adobe audition is good for this.
    Yes, important point.
    What do you say to the EDIUS way? When importing the clip in a new 23.98 project and after assigning
    the project frame rate to the clip the audio will also change. Is there any reason for don't doing this in EDIUS?

    Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
    Yep- according to wiki- no 24p, but 23.97p is supported.
    Which format will be recorded if cameras are over-cranked to 24fps?

    Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
    This is only 50Mbit MPEG2 I frames- not the greatest quality.
    Yes, I know but it looks good.
    The format is demand from our customer. :(
    IMHO much better would be a simple MXF AVC-Intra.
    But it's impossible to export to any generic MXF format because it's limited to the same frame rates!

    Andreas
    Andreas Gumm
    post production / authoring
    PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
    ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
    Windows 7 Ultimate,
    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
    GV hardware: 3G Storm
    software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
    PC 2
    Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
    Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
    GV hardware: HD SPARK
    software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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    • #3
      Andreas if you need it now you can export a tiff or jpeg sequence at 24p
      Steve

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GrassValley_SL View Post
        Andreas if you need it now you can export a tiff or jpeg sequence at 24p
        LOL!
        My customer will hit me! ;)
        Andreas Gumm
        post production / authoring
        PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
        ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
        Windows 7 Ultimate,
        GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
        GV hardware: 3G Storm
        software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
        PC 2
        Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
        Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
        GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
        GV hardware: HD SPARK
        software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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        • #5
          At least you can get sequences to the cinema. :D
          Steve

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GrassValley_SL View Post
            At least you can get sequences to the cinema. :D
            I don't know if these little independent cinemas can playback such sequences! ;)
            But it's an interersting point. I will ask for!

            ...or I will start to stress my printer & realize a flip-book! Hehe...
            Andreas Gumm
            post production / authoring
            PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
            ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
            Windows 7 Ultimate,
            GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
            GV hardware: 3G Storm
            software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
            PC 2
            Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
            Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
            GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
            GV hardware: HD SPARK
            software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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            • #7
              Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
              For small cinema it can be done so easy- 2K playback is so easy these days- can be done form the laptop :)
              Correct!
              And the most common delivery format is MXF (24p in most cases)!

              BTW, I remember a really small cinema which plays per VLC-player!
              I'm not joking! It's because the player can be remote controlled & there are many many ways to cpntrol & tweak the playback!
              I was really impressed what's possible with VLC! :D
              Andreas Gumm
              post production / authoring
              PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
              ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
              Windows 7 Ultimate,
              GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
              GV hardware: 3G Storm
              software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
              PC 2
              Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
              Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
              GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
              GV hardware: HD SPARK
              software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

              Comment


              • #8
                What about the generic MXF support for 24p?
                In post production environment it's really needed for exchange.

                In EDIUS should be exist some more chances to exchange 24p material!
                Andreas Gumm
                post production / authoring
                PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
                ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
                Windows 7 Ultimate,
                GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
                GV hardware: 3G Storm
                software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
                PC 2
                Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
                Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
                GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
                GV hardware: HD SPARK
                software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
                  Yet again- MXF is mainly used for broadcast- no one needs 24p, so there is no proper support :)
                  Maybe I'm "no one" but there will be some more facilities delivering material for digital cinema projection such as advertising for local companys!

                  And while you say that MXF is "mainly" used for broadcast the usage of 24p is not limited & not excluded by specification!

                  Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
                  AVID DNxHD does support 24p mode in MXF wrapper.
                  I'm working mainly with EDIUS & I would like to stay with it in future too! ;)

                  Andreas
                  Andreas Gumm
                  post production / authoring
                  PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
                  ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
                  Windows 7 Ultimate,
                  GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
                  GV hardware: 3G Storm
                  software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
                  PC 2
                  Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
                  Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
                  GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
                  GV hardware: HD SPARK
                  software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
                    No- it's not and there is no reason, why you can't have eg. MXF JPEG2000 at 24p. Just remember that Edius 5 had mainly broadcast formats- 6 offers freedom:) GV is focused on broadcast, so things like 24p MXF are not that important for them.
                    Sadly MXF JPEG2000 doesn't work at 24p export from EDIUS!
                    Hopefully the focus will be a little bit more extended in future! ;)
                    I don't think that the implementation consumes a lot of time....

                    Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
                    I think we can request it :)
                    Done! ;)

                    Originally posted by andrew_hd View Post
                    Stay with Edius- AVID+file based workflow= nightmare :) AVID is no near close to Edius' performance and possibilities for tapeless production.
                    Yes, I know!
                    I don't like to work with AVID but I like whose codec package!

                    Cheers
                    Andreas Gumm
                    post production / authoring
                    PC 1Intel Core i7-970 (6 x 3.20 GHz),
                    ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, 12 GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT
                    Windows 7 Ultimate,
                    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, VisTitle v2.5,
                    GV hardware: 3G Storm
                    software SONY DoStudio Indie + EX 4.0.11
                    PC 2
                    Intel Core i7-3770, GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H F14, 16GB RAM,
                    Geforce 650 GTX, 5x HDD, Windows 7,
                    GV software: EDIUS 7.42, ProCoder 3.0
                    GV hardware: HD SPARK
                    software: Telestream Switch, DTS-HD MAS, Dolby Media Meter

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