EDIUS 6 Bundle...

[tdtinker]

The problem is that the users that are upset are upset because they have projects with TMP tites in them. Another titler would not make them happy... TMP would make them happy.

I guess the user are at fault for not going with Qtitler.
tdtinker

[tdtinker]

That would be easy enough to explain and worked around, times do have to change but you goto give back an equivilant replacement or it can be seen as a downgrade.

At least give us a replacement and some notice so we can ease out of TMP.
GV must understand that titles are a major part of any production.
tdtinker

[GrassValley_MD]

That is not what I said at all... I was just pointing out that a replacement titler would not help a user that has many projects ith TMP titles in them as the other titler would not open them.

So I was not trying to put anyone down with that post... just pointing out to the poster that another titler wouldn't help those that the most upset about TMP

[dnavas]

The problem is that the users that are upset are upset because they have projects with TMP tites in them. Another titler would not make them happy... TMP would make them happy.

Or a conversion utility from TMP --> whatever new product might replace it.
In fact, even an imperfect conversion solution, while there would be grumbling, might be better received than just TMP overall.

-Dave

[Jeff Chandler]

If you're running a business that has to return to older projects created with TMP, I would say buy it to take care of your customers. I don't like wasting money any more than the next person, but if you're running a business that is profitable, buying the tools or materials necessary is just part of the cost of doing business. But I would also suggest "biting the bullet" and purchasing Vistitler, too. And if you don't need to reeturn to projects with TMP, I certainly wouldn't waste dollars on it. Vistitler is a much more user friendly software and of very high quality. Personally, I never liked TMP and I'm so thankful for an option like Vistitler. And they seem to be a company that wants to please the end user and to continue working on future development. I think they hit a home run first time up to bat.

I'm not trying to defend GV, but they're not the first company to drop support for titlers. Adobe did it with Title Deko. Even Apple seems to have scaled back development of their own Livetype (formerly India). Just saying there are good options out there.

[johnsirb]

If you're running a business that has to return to older projects created with TMP, I would say buy it to take care of your customers. I don't like wasting money any more than the next person, but if you're running a business that is profitable, buying the tools or materials necessary is just part of the cost of doing business.

I would agree with the points that Jeff made. I've got both VisT and TMP and have been using TMP since my old Speed Razor days ( with the parallel port dongles) but I think the the program's been a dead man walking since the day Leitch/Harris bought it.

I havent completely switched over to VisT because in part there is one thing that TMP can do that Vis cant, and that's put an outline/shadow on an imported image/logo, which I use a lot of. yes there is a workaround, but I do hope that this technical hurdle can be figured out and I can say see ya to TMP

[antonsvideo]

yes, a few quirks need to be sorted with vistitler

such as inability to double click a word to select it

[shueardm]

I think they hit a home run first time up to bat.

Absolutely. Even the cost is not unfair IMHO. It's only when you pay for something like TMP which we all have done and then are told to pay again for no new features or lose it, that's crazy.

Interestingly I have just been told by Jerry at Vistitle (I hope he doesn't mind me quoting him) that there is a new version 1.5 coming out this month (FREE UPGRADE) and even when version 2.0 comes around it is FREE UPGRADE. Add in their pleasant, interested and punctual support and which methodology looks the better?

RIP TMP.

[tingsern]

I don't mind RIP TMPro - provided the NEXT product I have is able to continue to support the older titles that have already been created in TMPro. I have lots of legacy videos as well - all done in TMPro. They do take up significant amount of time. If the next titler can support those created in TMPro with little or no user input, I get my wallet out immediately :-). Having said that, I don't think QuickTiltler, VisTitler, etc - all will replace TMPro based on that criteria. That means - I will have to evaluate the upgrade of EDIUS 6 if I have to pay for an upgrade cost to TMPro to support EDIUS 6 (as what others have said) - for NO improvements to the product at all.

[johnsirb]

I don't mind RIP TMPro - provided the NEXT product I have is able to continue to support the older titles that have already been created in TMPro.

But it is almost to the point of trying to play your 8-track tapes in the car's CD player because you've got some great tunes on those tapes.

Maybe the thing to consider is a transition period and start moving away from TMP because lets face it, Harris walked away from it many, many moons ago ( just found their forum and the most recent post from anyone at Harris was nearly three years ago)

[tingsern]

Tell me - what would you do in this situation. Your client comes walking in and ask you to revive a video - says he wants to change some of the titles ... and you go and retrieve it - and it is in TMPro format. Are you going to explain to your client that EDIUS 6 can't support it anymore? No way, right? That's my problem .... AND I am sure, a lot of other folks too.

[caminostereo]

We all know that the titles are the backbone of any video production.

Since EDIUS 4 knew that TMP was dead... so none of us users always of EDIUS do not expect any update of TMP, and we do not need with advanced characteristics that appeared, there was more than enough to keep working, this does not deny a fact so obvious that many TMP titles have users in our projects and we wish to reedit in EDIUS 6 keeping our source projects, as well as stressed Tingsern maintain support of projects for our client are important.

The main weakness that has until now EDIUS, is its own title "Quick Titler" which has many limitations for 2D/3D title animation, this situation should be changed and agenda in a future version or update develop Quick Titler more expand its animation features, users always gradually stop using third-party plugins titles, knowing that you will always have the proper support in future versions of EDIUS and thus not dependent on anyone.

[Harro]

The production bundle is only $599?? Where? I want to buy it at that cost!

My complete post mentioned Edius v6 AND a decent titler, combined cost, NOT just the CS5 Production Bundle. The Edius v6 upgrade will be in the vicinity of around $500, a decent titler e.g. Vistitle is around $530 (in Australia), total about $1,000. The CS5 Production Bundle upgrade is about $1130, I would say that the Edius v6 upgrade and a decent titler would therefore cost about the same as the CS5 Production upgrade.

[GrassValley_BH]

A few important points:
1. Anything not produced by Grass Valley that is included in the bundle with EDIUS is done for the benefit of our customers, in good faith. Through time this has included a number of software pieces like SoundSoap, TitleMotion and NewBlue effects.

In the past we've had complaints from people who don't use TMP - "I don't want to pay for TMP - I don't use it" - people perceived they were paying extra for something they don't use.

So, we're giving users choice.

2. QuickTitler is included with, and part of, EDIUS. It has always been developed by us, but many users in the beginning wanted other titlers like TitleMotion, so we went in that direction. If you think QuickTitler should be improved/enhanced instead, please provide your feedback in the Feature Requests forum.

3. Just like exporters, titlers plug in to EDIUS. This means titlers (and exporters) need to be updated to support EDIUS, not EDIUS updated to support them. In theory, any Windows app could plug into EDIUS as a titler, it's just up to the application developer to write the necessary code to speak to EDIUS.

4. "Upgrades without new features" happen for the same reason. I have plug-ins for other applications (read "Adobe") that don't add any major new features - but the upgrade was necessary because the plug-in architecture was upgraded at some version.

[Vaughan Wood]

Brandon,

I agree with everything you said, but again, here in Australia, the retail price for Vistitle from the one Australian online retailer is now $529.00, when our dollar is buying US$0.93. Many feel this is too high, even with GST. (10% added).

We need some other alternative, so if you help to get a reasonalbly priced bundle to include Vistitle for Edius 6 that would help a lot. (esp. as I have two systems to upgrade).

Cheers,

Vaughan