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    I've viewed the Imaginate software on a friends computer. He doesn't use it to the depth I would like to so he's not much help.

    I spoke with the sales team at Canopus at the gentleman was kind enough to direct me to the forums here to ask my questions. He said you folks would know the limits of this product really well. So here is my question.

    I would like to make my clip with Imaginate, then export or save that file to a format that would allow me to import it into Premiere with a alpha background instead of a colored background. Is this possible? I want to use my Jump Back motion videos with the Imaginate clip. If this is possible I will buy this product and skip making it in Premiere and After Effects.

    Imaginate looks like a great product. Any help or info would be much appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Jeremy

  • #2
    You can export uncompressed RGBA.

    But... Imaginate is not for sale anymore- you might find a few still left if you hunt around.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by shueardm View Post
      You can export uncompressed RGBA.

      But... Imaginate is not for sale anymore- you might find a few still left if you hunt around.

      You can't export uncompressed RGBA if the project is 16:9 (known bug)

      4:3 is fine but
      Anton Strauss
      Antons Video Productions - Sydney

      EDIUS 9 WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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      • #4
        Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
        You can't export uncompressed RGBA if the project is 16:9 (known bug)

        4:3 is fine but
        Hmm... works for me Anton, I visited a friend with Imaginate and we rendered out some stuff into PAL SD 16:9 and also to PAL 1080 HDV.

        He doesn't have Edius so we put the files into After Effects with a solid on the lower layer and the Imaginate files showed perfect transparency. (the photos were scaled smaller than the canvas area while in Imaginate).

        I was seriously thinking about buying Imaginate myself, but now I am messing with a trial copy of ProShow Producer. Unlike Imaginate PSP can export HDV using more sensible alpha aware codecs which don't consume tens of GB (and time) to produce short HDV renders. eg: it can render out in QuickTime Animation, 100% lossless without stupid file sizes.

        I am also forming the opinion that using PSP3 in conjunction with Edius is even easier and more powerful.
        Claire

        Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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        • #5
          I don't understand why this super program has been dropped by Grass Valley.

          I use it all the time and would like to see it developed further.

          Thanks

          Ronnie
          Ronnie Martin
          Kato Video Productions
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          • #6
            I don't understand why this super program has been dropped by Grass Valley.
            Afaik the programmer(s) left the company.

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            • #7
              You can't export uncompressed RGBA if the project is 16:9 (known bug)

              The bug wasn't known to me or my machine. Been doing it for quite a while.
              Jerry
              Six Gill DV
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              If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

              Vistitle YouTube Channel
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              http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Claire View Post
                I was seriously thinking about buying Imaginate myself, but now I am messing with a trial copy of ProShow Producer. Unlike Imaginate PSP can export HDV using more sensible alpha aware codecs which don't consume tens of GB (and time) to produce short HDV renders. eg: it can render out in QuickTime Animation, 100% lossless without stupid file sizes.
                Forget this, found ProShow doesn't export with alpha, even though it can use codecs that can do it. Hey, sounds like Edius :)
                Claire

                Edius 8.53 Workgroup, DVC Built i7 5960X 8 core Haswell-E Unlocked, Win10 Pro 64 bit, Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4, 32GB DDR4 RAM, RTX 2080 Ti 11GB, Decklink 4K Extreme 12G, TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC, Eizo 31" ColorEdge CG319X HDR 4K monitor

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                • #9
                  You might want to look at Stage Tools. It will export to any codec that you have on board with alpha. I use Imaginate if I have a lot of photos on which I need to apply motion.
                  When you say 'export HDV' are you talking .m2t files or HQ?
                  Personally, I output to 1920x1080 square pixel uncompressed anyway so file size is not an issue with me.
                  Jerry
                  Six Gill DV
                  www.sgdvtutorials.com
                  If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                  Vistitle YouTube Channel
                  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                  Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                  http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                  Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                  Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jerry View Post
                    You can't export uncompressed RGBA if the project is 16:9 (known bug)

                    The bug wasn't known to me or my machine. Been doing it for quite a while.
                    it does export as 16:9 but look at the resulting file in Edius! It starts way out in the black area (works fine if using IVT direct in timeline)

                    movement start position in Imaginate
                    http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...ment-start.gif

                    movement start position in Edius after uncompressed export, there is black all around (am I crazy or what?)
                    http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...omp-export.gif

                    IVT direct on Edius timeline is showing perfect
                    http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...-IVT-Edius.gif

                    I reported that donkeys years ago and it was confirmed by Canopus Australia and several users on the old forum
                    Anton Strauss
                    Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                    EDIUS 9 WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                      it does export as 16:9 but look at the resulting file in Edius! It starts way out in the black area (works fine if using IVT direct in timeline)

                      movement start position in Imaginate
                      http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...ment-start.gif

                      movement start position in Edius after uncompressed export, there is black all around (am I crazy or what?)
                      http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...omp-export.gif

                      IVT direct on Edius timeline is showing perfect
                      http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...-IVT-Edius.gif

                      I reported that donkeys years ago and it was confirmed by Canopus Australia and several users on the old forum
                      Anton,
                      Under Properties, Project Properties
                      You have to check Alpha Project and I also pick 16:9, 1.0,1080 for settings.

                      When you open up your panel you will have the black on the working screen and alpha on the display panel.
                      Here is a link to a PAL file I did for you. The original file was 1920x1080
                      rgba, I then converted it in Edius to HQ.
                      Throw it on a HD timeline and put a picture behind it. Alpha will show through.
                      Right click and save as target for the file.
                      http://sixgilldv.com/www/gallery/pal%20rgbahq.avi

                      Let me know how this works for you.
                      Jerry
                      Six Gill DV
                      www.sgdvtutorials.com
                      If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                      Vistitle YouTube Channel
                      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                      Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                      http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                      Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                      Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                      • #12
                        I always have alpha ticked and I always set 16:9

                        however, I work in standard def 720x576 Pal 16:9, that maybe why you don't see the obvious problem, maybe HD is fine
                        Anton Strauss
                        Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                        EDIUS 9 WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                        • #13
                          lets forget about alpha at this stage

                          please do a test as seen in my screenshot and export as uncompressed 16:9 or lossless 16:9 and then place the file on Edius timeline

                          movement start position in Imaginate
                          http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...ment-start.gif
                          end position, zoom right into word Canopus

                          movement start position in Edius after uncompressed export, there is black all around (am I crazy or what?)
                          http://www.videoproductions.com.au/e...omp-export.gif

                          If exporting to 16:9 DV, then all is well
                          the problem is Uncompressed, Lossless and Canopus HQ

                          I will eat a broom if you don't see the big bug
                          Anton Strauss
                          Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                          EDIUS 9 WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post

                            I will eat a broom if you don't see the big bug
                            Well, You don't have to eat a broom. I see what you were talking about.
                            No matter what setting you put into it for aspect ratio, fields or what ever,
                            it still comes out 4x3 lower field . Yes, in DV it works fine.
                            Don't feel bad though, it does the same on the NTSC side as well.
                            So, if you really need hi quality photo movement, I guess 1920x1080 uncompressed converted to HQ thrown onto a dv timeline.
                            Try the file I posted on a DV timeline and see how it looks.
                            The photos will look better.
                            Jerry
                            Six Gill DV
                            www.sgdvtutorials.com
                            If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                            Vistitle YouTube Channel
                            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                            Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                            http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                            Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                            Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                            • #15
                              thank you for confirming that I am not crazy yet
                              Anton Strauss
                              Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                              EDIUS 9 WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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