Background music in EDIUS?

[tingsern]

I wonder how you folks do incorporate background sounds into EDIUS workflow? Currently, I use SmartSound's SonicFire Pro software. But, is a pain - because I have to export the entire timeline into AVI - use standalone SonicFire Pro software to master the background music (by reading that AVI), export that music as 48Khz WAV, put it back into EDIUS by another audio track. I have lots of SmartSound's library of sounds here. In Adobe Premiere, they have a plugin - but, none for EDIUS.

[Roy Colquitt]

I wonder how you folks do incorporate background sounds into EDIUS workflow? Currently, I use SmartSound's SonicFire Pro software. But, is a pain - because I have to export the entire timeline into AVI - use standalone SonicFire Pro software to master the background music (by reading that AVI), export that music as 48Khz WAV, put it back into EDIUS by another audio track. I have lots of SmartSound's library of sounds here. In Adobe Premiere, they have a plugin - but, none for EDIUS.

You may feel that you need the precision of working with the video in Sonicfire, but something that can help--at least with feeling out/trying different cuts--is that the Edius timeline and Sonicfire can run simultaneously.

[tingsern]

Thanks for the info. But, I do I incorporate the data files of SonicFire into Edius? They still need to be converted to WAV first, then I import each "small" audio WAV into Edius - right? If I do that, I loose the Smart Razar and Smart Extend ability of SonicFire Pro software. But - yes - I haven't thought about it until you mentioned it to me. Will try it out the next video editing session.

[Zorro]

Have you tried this workflow?

1. Finish your video editing in Edius

2. Export the whole timeline

3. Import it into SFP and do your whole audio work there

4. Export the master

[tingsern]

That's exactly what I have been doing all this while. A big problem with this approach is with HD ... I hit the 4GB AVI file limit and is making things very messy. Basically, I have to split the export of long timelines into several portions and it is almost impossible to know beforehand (because of compression) when you are getting near the 4GB AVI file limit.

[Zorro]

4GB limit??? Do you still use FAT32?

[tingsern]

No FAT32. I am using NTFS all these while. But, I thought AVI files has a limit of 4GB per file? Yes? I hope I am wrong ...

[THoff]

No, there is no limit on the size of AVI files. I routinely work with files much larger than 4GB.

[tingsern]

Thanks for killing one scared cow for me. I was under the perception (old times) that AVI files have a 4GB limit. I guess that was the old rules that has to be tossed into the dustbin. If that is being the case, I will continue to do my music as per normal - finish editing the timeline using EDIUS, then export the entire file to AVI and then use SonicFire Pro to score the video.

[THoff]

4GB is only about 20 minutes of DV25/HDV, or as little as four minutes of DVCProHD. The AVI container format wouldn't be viable if it still had a 4GB limit.

[tingsern]

I just did one DVCProHD AVI - 720 25p over 50i. Duration is 9 minutes. After exporting the stuff from EDIUS timeline (in DVCProHD), the file is only 2.274GB. Hence your 4 minutes for DVCProHD must be referrring to 1080i or even full HD (1920?) ....?

[shueardm]

Type 1 still has 2Gb limit. We use type 2 AVI nowadays to get around it.

[GrassValley_BH]

It gets a bit confuuuusing.

By Microsoft's original definition (now lost somewhere)
Type 1 DV AVIs are DirectShow-compatible AVIs and therefore can exceed the 2GB limit.

Type 2 DV AVIs are VfW-compatible AVIs and are subject to the 2GB limit, and also carry a decoded audio track in the auds stream.

[GrassValley_MD]

That's exactly what I have been doing all this while. A big problem with this approach is with HD ... I hit the 4GB AVI file limit and is making things very messy. Basically, I have to split the export of long timelines into several portions and it is almost impossible to know beforehand (because of compression) when you are getting near the 4GB AVI file limit.

You are safe here (I have a feeling I am way late here).

There was a two gig limit many years ago with type 1 AVI files but there is no limit any more.

You do have to make sure that you have your drives formatted with NTFS though :)


Mike

[shueardm]

Yes, it was a FAT 16 limitation, my mistake.