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  • MT02MHT
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    I have been keeping Kevin Klingler updated on the progress of this topic. I have even mentioned he follow the example of Videostar who have developed the new titler for Edius. I let him know how everyone here is pretty excited about it and suggested a plugin from Smartsound could easily generate as much enthusiasm.
    Mike T

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  • pjsssss
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    Originally posted by SRsupport View Post
    But all that info should be over at the smart sound forum or customer service.
    Not here.....
    Steve is exactly right. All of this energy needs to go to SmartSound. Start sending things to them and maybe they will see that there is enough interest and perspective customers to make developing a plugin worthwhile, whether it be a separate purchase or bundled.

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  • SRsupport
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    But all that info should be over at the smart sound forum or customer service.
    Not here.....

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  • Bassman
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    Well, from my perspective, I just want the integration.

    I would be happy to purchase the Edius plugin separately from Smartsound. Then the bundle politics could be avoided.

    But it does not seem like this is an option either.

    It sounds like Smartsound had started developing a plugin, maybe some customer input could push it to a finish line?

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  • pjsssss
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    Everyone should step back and take a look using their heads from a business point of view. This "letter" from Smartsound sounds like a very business like way to try and blame the other company when they have decided that the cost/time factor in developing a plugin for Edius will not generate enough of a revenue stream to make it worthwhile.

    Honestly MyMusic has nothing do do with SmartSound. They are different markets. So to use that as an excuse is pretty weak.

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  • Alter Ego
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    Here is my 2 cents for what it is worth. I bought the Smart Sound program and used their tracks for a many years. The price is certainly right @ $20 per song. They are a great value. But... Smart Sound is limited in terms of quality/selection and I hear the same songs all over the place in other peoples projects. On the other hand when I checked out MyMusicSource, I found it way to expensive for my type of licensing needs. They aren't even an option for most people. So I scratched my head and asked why Grass Valley would choose to offer MyMusicSource as an option. Anyone else find them too prohibitive in price to use?

    I have moved on and the lack of Smart Sound or any other integration isn't a deal breaker for me. I have found better alternatives for my music. There are just to many other sources of really good and reasonably priced music pieces out there.

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  • TrackRanger
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    Originally posted by GrassValley_MN View Post
    SmartSound is certainly welcome to develop an interface to EDIUS if and when they decide it is in their best interest to do so. We remain open to this if they so desire. To date, they have decided not to do so.

    So, the truth is our users can try either or both of these apps out and use either or both as they like. If customers want to license music from MyMusicSource, great. If people want to buy the full version of SonicFire Pro and music collections from SmartSource, also great.
    I too wrote to SS in reply to their request for product features, and got the same answer as has been published in this thread. But be aware that there is conflicting information. Firstly, SS are quoted elsewhere as being interested, but could not get GV's support. Secondly, SS are indicating they are not interested because GV took a different direction with "My Music", and thirdly GV are saying that they will support SS but SS have decided not to do so (see first paragraph above).

    The real losers here are the end-users who have invested heavily in both products with the hopeful expectation that there might eventually be some practical integration. It is obvious that there are politics on both sides keeping that from materializing.

    The second paragraph above misses the point completely. What this thread is about is not what product to choose. It is about users' ongoing requests to have a SmartSound plugin integrated into Edius.

    If more users prefer SmartSound, and GV are supportive for them to develop a plugin, then surely SmartSound should just go ahead and adopt that option. It could only further benefit SmartSound - and the Edius Users
    Last edited by TrackRanger; 01-12-2010, 01:05 PM.

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  • GrassValley_MN
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    I am glad you have all had a chance to vent. :)

    This is obviously a very sensitive issue. I have some feelings about deleting the thread as there has been a bit of bashing here. However, rather than taking that approach immediately, I'd like to set the record straight about a couple of things.

    I will not bash either SmartSound or MyMusicSource on this thread. The truth is that I have had positive conversations with Kevin Klingler of SmartSound and Michael Redman of MyMusicSource about their respective products/services and we were eager to work with either or both of them when we were choosing what music apps we wanted to bundle with EDIUS 5.

    SmartSound discussed with us the possibility of bundling a full version of SonicFire Pro with EDIUS 5. At the end, they decided not to do so and instead decided to bundle at trial version of EDIUS 5.1 which we are happy to offer on the bonus software disc that comes with EDIUS 5.1

    MyMusicSource expressed an interest in providing a link to their licensible music library from EDIUS and to provide an environment that made it easy and comfortable for EDIUS users to sample their library and pay/license for only the music they decide to use in a finished product according to their licensing schema.

    The person who said these are two different things is exactly right. SonicFirePro is a program that allows users to buy packages of pre-produced music which users can fit to any time requirement, change the mix and more.

    MyMusicSource offers the chance to sample and license music created by independent artists worldwide - and in some cases you can even post your idea and have "audition samples" sent to you by bands in order to find the music you want. The licensing schema is based on the type of use.

    They are different applications for different users. We decided to offer the MyMusicSource link and the trial version of SonicFire Pro on the EDIUS 5.1 disk to give our users the choice to use either one. We're not telling you which ones you should or should not use.

    The truth is that MyMusicSource wanted to develop and environment to link their site to EDIUS and provided the bulk of the development to make that happen. The link and plugin provided on our EDIUS 5.1 bonus disk is there for users to try it out.

    SmartSound is certainly welcome to develop an interface to EDIUS if and when they decide it is in their best interest to do so. We remain open to this if they so desire. To date, they have decided not to do so. They were willing to offer a trial version of SonicFire Pro on our bonus disk. So, SonicFire Pro remains a separate package that many of our users buy and use - even though it is not specifically integrated with EDIUS. Our support is shown by the trial version of SonicFire Pro on our EDIUS 5.1 bonus disk. It is there for our users to try out.

    So, the truth is our users can try either or both of these apps out and use either or both as they like. If customers want to license music from MyMusicSource, great. If people want to buy the full version of SonicFire Pro and music collections from SmartSource, also great.

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  • junk_man32
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    Originally posted by Bassman View Post
    The way I read this is that Smartsound was in the process of creating and paying for a plugin for Edius and GV went with "My music for Edius" which in turn made the plugin a poor business decision for smartsound going forward.
    would of been a good business decision if they stuck with smartsound.....

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  • Bassman
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    Originally posted by MT02MHT View Post
    unfortunately they decided to "plug-in" a music web site and re-brand it "My Music for Edius". This was a very disappointing thing for me to see after the work we had done to license a demonstration version of SFP for inclusion in their box. The fact that it was branded Edius and was actually plugged into the Edius interface created significant headwinds for us in terms of aftermarket music sales, which suddenly made the cost of engineering a plug-in unmanageable for us.
    The way I read this is that Smartsound was in the process of creating and paying for a plugin for Edius and GV went with "My music for Edius" which in turn made the plugin a poor business decision for smartsound going forward.

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  • Rusty
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    MyMusic was probably one of the worst recent moves by GV and hearing this is not particularly reassuring.

    I'm surprised this thread has stayed alive this long. Thanks for letting us vent GV!

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  • SRsupport
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    Correct that is it in a nutshell. :)

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  • Jerry
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    Steve's point is Smartsound should develop the plugin not
    GV.

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  • junk_man32
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    Lets put this to rest and make sure they use money on more important things....um maybe like windows 7 support (i dont wanto stay 2 versions behind...its going to become a prehistoric OS, and i dont wanto stay on a slow os either.....either way im screwed)..and myabe 10-bit support..and some full alpha hint hint.........id rather have these than smartsound...trust me...

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  • SRsupport
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    This is going no where . if the company wants to develop the/a plugin they can no one is telling them not to.
    They just need to put their money where there mouth is that's all. We don't need no polls no nothing. If they wish to make it they don't need all that.
    Did you see any polls for Vistilter, Vitascene, Newblue effects.......NO a Big NO. Well
    Last edited by SRsupport; 01-12-2010, 10:18 AM.

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