Post your EDIUS v4.5 questions here...

[Mr Bill]

When will there be an EDIUS 4.5 upgrade for download ?

I've heard it will be 1.5 gig,
I'm guessing we all will be getting a disc sent to us.

[pjsssss]

July has alwasy been the timeframe mentioned. I haven't heard anything to change that, but I do not know for sure.

[GrassValley_KH]

Swaping of AUDIO and VIDEOMIXER STRIP is not radical cange to workflow but only grafical and logical improvement.
May be nobody has thought about it in this way - but its has its common sense: Video belongs to video. Audio to audio.

Whether logical or not, this won't be happening in v4.5. Feel free to put up a feature request post in the appropriate forum.

When will there be an EDIUS 4.5 upgrate for download ?
Any news on that ?

As per many many posts, including the first one in this thread, v4.5 is expected to be available sometime Q3 2007 - we're thinking late July/August.

[GrassValley_KH]

I've heard it will be 1.5 gig,
I'm guessing we all will be getting a disc sent to us.

The download will probably be more like the 400-500MB size, if the current builds we get are anything to go by.

I imagine that local GV offices will provide CD-Rs upon request, for the bandwidth-challenged.

[LV_DVC]

BUTTONS and FIELD PLAYBACK

1) When placing buttons into the Timeline and Bin -- some buttons seem to go into the More Buttons automatically rather than into the bar. Have other's noticed this? Is this fixed in 4.5?

2) There are a number of buttons missing:

Play-In-to-Out for PLAYER
Play-to-Out for PLAYER

Play-to-Out for RECORDER
Play-in-to-out for RECORDER

Skip to next Edit Event -- TIMELINE & RECORDER
Skip to previous Edit Event -- TIMELINE & RECORDER

GO TO IN -- ALL
GO TO OUT -- ALL
Clear IN -- ALL
Clear OUT -- ALL
Clear IN&OUT -- ALL
no CREATE FREEZE FRAME for PLAYER

It would be great to have a large pool of buttons that could be placed anywhere. Does 4.5 improve button functions?

I'm sure there may be shortcut keys, but I'm not interested.

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Since the Player and Recorder are only a fraction of 1080 lines -- which means only about 1 out of four lines are displayed -- is there any way to have only ODD or EVEN lines displayed during playback?

This would eliminate combing when playing 1080i (or 480i).

I know you can select Fields for PAUSE, but why not for PLAY.

[antonsvideo]

in the current version, you will need to increase the size of the windows in order to see all

it is especially painful when using single mode

[GrassValley_KH]

1) When placing buttons into the Timeline and Bin -- some buttons seem to go into the More Buttons automatically rather than into the bar. Have other's noticed this? Is this fixed in 4.5?

I'm not sure I follow - are you saying that when you add more buttons, they end up being compressed into a separate drop-down? That's simply because there are too many buttons capable of being displayed in the Window size/display resolution being used. You should rearrange your buttons, remove unnecessary ones, reduce the size of the buttons or increase the size of the window/display resolution.

2) There are a number of buttons missing:

Play-In-to-Out for PLAYER
Play-to-Out for PLAYER

Play-to-Out for RECORDER
Play-in-to-out for RECORDER

Play-to-Out is definitely in 4.5 (but unassigned by default). I'm not sure that it's a button though.

Skip to next Edit Event -- TIMELINE & RECORDER
Skip to previous Edit Event -- TIMELINE & RECORDER

v4.5 lets you have these buttons in the recorder window.

GO TO IN -- ALL
GO TO OUT -- ALL
Clear IN -- ALL
Clear OUT -- ALL
Clear IN&OUT -- ALL
no CREATE FREEZE FRAME for PLAYER

There are no separate buttons for clearing/going to In/Outs in the Player and Recorder window (save for Clear In+Out), you access those functions from the drop-down menu of the Set In/Set Out buttons. All exist as keyboard shortcuts.

Sorry, no freeze frame button for the player (there may be a capture freeze frame option under the Capture drop-down, but it's just easier to use the keyboard shortcut IMHO).

It would be great to have a large pool of buttons that could be placed anywhere. Does 4.5 improve button functions?

It depends on what you think is an improvement - there's a little bit more flexibility in the Player/Recorder windows, but there's a new set of 'rules' to play with due to the new interface look.

There definitely is no means for you to just place a button anywhere you'd like. You must still play within the realms of the player, the recorder, the bin, the timeline and the effect palette.

Since the Player and Recorder are only a fraction of 1080 lines -- which means only about 1 out of four lines are displayed -- is there any way to have only ODD or EVEN lines displayed during playback?

This would eliminate combing when playing 1080i (or 480i).

I know you can select Fields for PAUSE, but why not for PLAY.

Ah, I think the new Direct3D method of overlay reproduction avoids this issue nicely, since it rescales the interlaced data and properly recreates it no matter what size your preview window is. Plays Anton's "tai chi" clip superbly.

[Zorro]

How does 4.5 handle AVCHD clips? Is the ACVHD converter utility still needed or can clips be used in their native format?

[GrassValley_KH]

Yep, but my word, you'll need a seriously beefy system to get any realtime productivity out of it.

[Zorro]

Yep, but my word, you'll need a seriously beefy system to get any realtime productivity out of it.

Will a E6600 be enough for that task?

[GrassValley_KH]

No. It will load, play for a couple of (pre buffered seconds) and then drop frames.

You really want to consider converting to HQ.

[peterC]

Hey Kenneally, Mike0130 has 1 point that is very valid and should concern everybody here. I know it has been a great concern of mine for way too long.

When you look at Final Cut Pro for eg I am astounded at the massive uptake and acceptance it has gained at the expense of other editing applications such as Edius, Avid, Premiere. Esprecially given it's late arrival by comparison to other products which have been out there longer.

If people like me want to consider their 'employability' either as freelancers or paid employees working for another organisation, it is clear you should be on Avid or more likely FCP. These seem to be the platforms of choice.

This is a twofold problem for all of us here.
1) A superior product - feature wise and ease of use
2) A product that has the killer mktg clout put to it by GV to get it there in terms of mkt exposure/acceptance/use/dominance.

I hope you make this a point, (put some placards up around your office or something Mr Sparkle), and tell the heavies this, since it is critical to all our survival and at the moment we are losing the mktg war. It wouldn't be the first time the better product got out gunned by superior competitor mktg.

Having said that (a better product), there needs more development still on Edius and fast to get it there and the mktg to be relentless. Bash 'em into the ground we need to do Mr Sparkle - take no prisoners!

At the moment I for one, am contemplating a move, not because I particularly want to, but may be forced to for employability concerns.

[LV_DVC]

are you saying that when you add more buttons, they end up being compressed into a separate drop-down?

That's what I expect to happen. But, in fact, when the number if buttons beomes too much -- it's not always the leftmost button that gets push to the MOREBUTTONS button. For example, The Title button on a Bin will not get pushed in MOREBUTTONS. Other buttons will.

It's as though EDIUS has a priority of its own. When the number gets too large -- push these and not those.

This would be solved if the TIMELINE buttons size could be set independently of the RECORDER/PLAYER button size.

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As far as the button pool -- I'm asking for all the Sony/Panasonic Edit Controller buttons be available. The guys/girls at NBC, for example, are likely used to all the MARK IN/OUT, GOTO MARK, CLEAR MARK buttons that are on Sony/Panasonic Edit Controllers and on Avid NLEs. These buttons are universal, world-wide. Everybody over 30 knows them. :)

One reason people pay $5K for Media Composer is that it supports TWO rows of buttons and has a full set of buttons. You can play MC just like it was hardware. Everything is available via keyboard AND mouse.

I think this is critical for GV customers.

[Zorro]

As far as the button pool -- I'm asking for all the Sony/Panasonic Edit Controller buttons be available. The guys/girls at NBC, for example, are likely used to all the MARK IN/OUT, GOTO MARK, CLEAR MARK buttons that are on Sony/Panasonic Edit Controllers and on Avid NLEs. These buttons are universal, world-wide.

I like the idea of Edius being among the programs which use a worldwide standard :)

[GrassValley_KH]

Good points, but we're straying a little off the thread's topic now. Ask if something is in 4.5, and get the answer. If the answer is "no" and you'd like it to be considered for future versions, post a proper request in the appropriate forum.

As for 'corporate commentary' posts - please refrain. As part of the posting guidelines, I'll be removing any more posts in this vein.

We're well aware of the task that lies ahead. Things are definitely moving in a strong, unified direction. Yes, as investors (customers) in our technology, you have a right to wanting to know what is in store, but this forum is not the place for this.

Thanks!