Post your EDIUS v4.5 questions here...

[GrassValley_MD]

yes, thank you, I tested it (with Vitacene) and I want it to work with other plugins too.
One more question please. Are you guys dong the same "conspirancy silence" as Canopus did? Should we know something more as a customers? You already testing ver.5.0 of Edius, so the time of 4.5 will come out it will be already not up- to- date, and you are still keeping silence about lot's of things. This is not a good sign...
let us know more about alpha, your deal with Blufftitler, Boris etc. We want to be a part of community, not the outsiders as you keep us now...

First off there is only a certain amount of information that can't be shared to keep the rival companies guessing.

Second, we are working on better communication with customers. What that will be we do not know at this time BUT, we are working on improving it.


Mike

[LightPrism]

4.5 & Canon 30f

Will 4.5 have support of Canon's 30f frame rate mode?

(thanks for the return of the forums)

[mike0130]

Hi,
Vitascene is already working in 4.x
http://www.prodad.de/gb/host_plugins-canopus-edius.html

yes, thank you, I tested it (with Vitacene) and I want it to work with other plugins too.
One more question please. Are you guys dong the same "conspirancy silence" as Canopus did? Should we know something more as a customers? You already testing ver.5.0 of Edius, so the time of 4.5 will come out it will be already not up- to- date, and you are still keeping silence about lot's of things. This is not a good sign...
let us know more about alpha, your deal with Blufftitler, Boris etc. We want to be a part of community, not the outsiders as you keep us now...

[GrassValley_SK]

5. Working with ParticleIllusion, BluffTitler, Aftereffects etc.? (plugins such as Vitscene?)

Hi,
Vitascene is already working in 4.x

http://www.prodad.de/gb/host_plugins-canopus-edius.html

[smartyarts]

No Undo more important than third time interface mod

Thanks GrassValley_KH for your reply,

I find it a pity that changes in the BIN window can't be undone... I think it's more important to be part of the latest Edius than modifying the GUI for the 3rd time! By the way it looks awful... reminds me of Fast and pinnacle crap...

Well, let's see the release and then judge, nevertheless UNDO in the BIN window is a MUST-HAVE feature!

Thanks for your attention
kind regards
smarty

[GrassValley_BH]

Sorry, don't know the details of it right now.

Brandon,

No, but AAF Export is scheduled to be added. The last time I talked to Avid folks, they were ditching OMF in favor of AAF.

Export only, not import?

Was this developed in house? The reason I ask is that a little know fact is that the AAF modules for both Vegas and PPro were developed by the same 2nd party company and are consequently awfully tight without resorting to something like an Automatic Duck for translation. It would be very cool if you happened to use the same company, at least in terms of the direction I'm heading. But perhaps not, if GV is heading in another direction? So many things are unclear vis-a-vis direction.

Ron Shook

Kenneally,

Thanks for telling what you know and can. Now I have 3 times as many questions. (g) But, I'll keep 'em to myself for the time being.

Appreciated,

Ron Shook

[Seth Berkowitz]

That's cool. As long as Grass Valley is thinking of some sort of replacement for Xplode, I feel confident that they'll eventually get there.

I've gotten my money's worth from Xplode, so although it's passing will be missed, yet understandable. I, for one, would be willing to pay for Xplode's replacement, if need be.

[GrassValley_BH]

I can understand that Xplode has major compatability issues and therefore will be discontinued, but what plans are there for transitions in newer versions? Some of us do have needs for various transitions from time to time. I'm beginning to think that all my transitions are going to have come from plug-ins.

We understand that users have come to rely on Xplode-type effects. The relevant teams are actively investigating the future direction.

[Seth Berkowitz]

Xplode is dead, long live Xplode. There are no plans to ever resurrect or rebuild it. Given that Xplode is one of the reasons we are not Vista compatible, you be the judge.

I can understand that Xplode has major compatability issues and therefore will be discontinued, but what plans are there for transitions in newer versions? Some of us do have needs for various transitions from time to time. I'm beginning to think that all my transitions are going to have come from plug-ins.

By the way, I'm glad to be back on these forums.

[GrassValley_KH]

Kenneally,

I'm a little confused by the description of 4.5 on the still Canopus website. It has asterics attached to several statements about MXF support of JPEG2000, XDCamHD, P2, and AVC-Intra stating that this is only available with Turnkey solutions. That can't be right, can it? It seems to be saying that essentially Edius Broadcast is only available with hardware turnkey solutions. How's this work?

Ugh...believe me, it's a crazy world sometimes. The full details of 'what goes where' have still yet to be finalised with respect to new features. What I've listed on the Web page in question, are the things that v4.5 (as a minimum) is capable of. As far as which options/modules come with what products, that's for the higher ups to determine.

While it isn't confirmed, we will still allow an existing EDIUS Broadcast owner (including EDIUS SP owners who have EDIUS Broadcast), to purchase the modules for AVC-Intra, JPEG2000, etc. but we aren't marketing it bigtime. (There's a reason for this, which will become clearer in the coming months)

Do you have any info, however tentative, at how well JPEG2k will edit natively. Scuttlebutt has it that AVC-Intra is extremely CPU intensive and will work in RT on only the fastest new systems. How does JPEG2k compare?

I have AVC-Intra footage, but I do not have Infinity footage alas...so testing this is rather hard at the moment. I can tell you now though that the AVC-Intra could play out small bursts of native footage in realtime on an HP xw8400 without trouble. Impressed a lot of people at NAB with this one..

Re: MXF - I believe this is possible already with EDIUS Broadcast, today (v4.24) ??

BTW, is there or will there be an Infinity forum, either here or elsewhere?

Probably not here. If and when there's a separate place for higher-end GV product lines, you might see a forum there. Not my call.

[GrassValley_BH]

About MXF native editing with currently working XDCamHD and P2. Does the MXF metadata follow through the edit to the other side if you were to encode the finished edit back to MXF? My understanding is that it does not now do this in Edius and AFAIK only Axio is able to do this (a recent development.) Will 4.5 move forward in this respect?

As I understand things, in v4.x, if it comes in with metadata, it goes back out with the same metadata. Of course stuff that you add to the project that doesn't have metadata, then there's no metadata.

Kenneally,

The AVC-Intra plug-in module will, however, attract a separate fee when it becomes available later this year (v4.5 is ready to edit with the AVC-Intra plug-in)

I'm a little confused by the description of 4.5 on the still Canopus website. It has asterics attached to several statements about MXF support of JPEG2000, XDCamHD, P2, and AVC-Intra stating that this is only available with Turnkey solutions. That can't be right, can it? It seems to be saying that essentially Edius Broadcast is only available with hardware turnkey solutions. How's this work?

Do you have any info, however tentative, at how well JPEG2k will edit natively. Scuttlebutt has it that AVC-Intra is extremely CPU intensive and will work in RT on only the fastest new systems. How does JPEG2k compare?

About MXF native editing with currently working XDCamHD and P2. Does the MXF metadata follow through the edit to the other side if you were to encode the finished edit back to MXF? My understanding is that it does not now do this in Edius and AFAIK only Axio is able to do this (a recent development.) Will 4.5 move forward in this respect?

Thanks for any light you can shed on these questions,

BTW, is there or will there be an Infinity forum, either here or elsewhere?

Ron Shook

[GrassValley_KH]

About the MPEG2 Exporter with AC3 (2.0), will it have the same settings as ProCoder Express? Going upto "Highest Quality"? Or is it similar to Speed Encoder and it's fixed and non-changeable settings?

You have a choice of channel+bitrate pairings. Which of these pairings you can choose, depends on the number of audio channels allowable with the Project Preset. Most Project Presets in software-only, DVStorm, NX and SP systems have just the two (which means mono or 2.0 channel AC3 options only). There's a couple of 4 channel settings you can use too.

If you want the full 5.1 audio setting output choices, you'll need to have the project set to a preset that allows 8 channels. Currently, this is only available with (EDIUS Broadcast Software) DVCPRO HD-based projects, and RX-E1 (EDIUS HD/HDLE) HD-based projects.

With a bit of cunning and tricky mapping, you'll be able to make full 5.1 AC3 files (so long as you have EDIUS Broadcast). I'll be putting together a 'How To' on this, around when v4.5 ships. For now, here's the current, total list of options:

1 channel - 64kbps
1 channel - 96kbps
1 channel - 128kbps
2 channel - 128kbps
2 channel - 196kbps
2 channel - 256kbps
2 channel - 384kbps
5 channel - 384kbps
5 channel - 448kbps
5 channel - 640kbps
5.1 channel - 384kbps
5.1 channel - 448kbps
5.1 channel - 640kbps

This AC-3 file can either be encoded separately with the standalone AC-3 exporter (think along the lines of the WAV exporter), or you can have it encoded when you choose the new MPEG exporter (either as a program stream or elementary stream). You will not find AC-3 options in ProCoder Express for EDIUS. (this might change)

The new DVD authoring exporter also supports AC-3, but I am not sure if it has the same degree of flexibility at present. This will probably change though...it's still very much a 'work in progress.'

This is linked to Dave's question:

How will this link to Procoder 3? I presume we can still export by selecting Procoder plugin and from there select AC3 audio and all MPEG2 settings are before?

Separate exporter, separate conditions. If you're using ProCoder 3, you'll use the ProCoder 3 AC3 encoder. The advantage with ProCoder 3 is that you can use the Channel Mixer filter to swap, copy, remove and duplicate the source audio channels to suit your output. Also, you can make 7.1 AC-3 files.

1. Will there be an OMF Export option?
2. will it be possible to undo modifications (e.g. renaming) in the BIN window?
3. Will it be possible to give each captured tape a custom name when inserted and captured from?
4. Will batchlist creation be possible without attaching a deck/capture device?
5. Can one add markers to clips and comment them?
6. Will it be possible to resize the thumbnails of the clips in the Bin window like for instance adding a scaling thumbnail slider or a shortcut comman like STRG + "+" and "-" for resizing?
7. Will Edius 4.5 finally install more VST plugins than it currently does / more compatible to common VST plugins from Steinberg?
8. Will the unpredictable jumping of the timeline when dragging a clip to it be gone?

1. No, AAF only. No plans to ever support OMF
2. Doesn't appear to be possible in the build I have
3. No differences to batch capture that I can spot
4. See above
5. No markers on clips planned for this release, that I know about
6. Still the same 5 view options as per 4.24
7. I need to get some more VST plug-ins to test this, but I don't know if the bridge will be change in this release (CtsVstPlugin.tpi is v2.0)
8. This bug has been identified by HQ. My build needs more testing to see if it has been squashed yet.

1. Alpha. The real one! like in Adobe?
2. 3DPIP improvements?
3. Replacement for Xplode Pro or improvement of Explode for Edius with effects/transitions? Also- VERY IMPORTANT: working with nVidia PCI-E cards for Xplode for Edius!!!
4. Any new plugins?
5. Working with ParticleIllusion, BluffTitler, Aftereffects etc.? (plugins such as Vitscene?)
6. Any easy way to resize, rotate and opacty changes as in premiere?
7. Fix the quicktime import bug?

1. I'm going to assume you mean something like - "will the timelines feature an alpha channel...so if I were to export a timeline, or even nest a sequence, alpha is preserved"

The answer is no. This sort of alpha-based workflow exceeds the capabilities of the EDIUS 4.x engine as we know it. The EDIUS FX plug-in, too, incorporates legacy technology that was conceived in an age where the idea of realtime alpha processing was still a computing pipedream. The intention is to revisit these limitations in a future version of EDIUS software.

2. Not in this release. We have plans...good plans. Plans that people will like. But not for 4.5.
3. Xplode is dead, long live Xplode. There are no plans to ever resurrect or rebuild it. Given that Xplode is one of the reasons we are not Vista compatible, you be the judge.
4. No. Unless you count things like the builtin AC-3 exporter, the DVD exporter, the DirectShow AVI importer.
5. Not in 4.5 - those are a bit beyond the scope of a 'dot5' release. I do know that the Vitascene people have talked to the powers that be in Japan though..
6. See #2
7. STORMDAVE has sent Japan some sure-fire footage that demonstrates the problem. I don't have this footage so I can't test it with the latest build.

Those are the most important for me, but there are lots more...
Oh, sorry, almost forgot one: TRAINING!!!

The only thing I know about at this stage is that we're endeavouring to get the Online Training site updated at around the same time as 4.5's release. It's a massive task, to be sure, but we'll push hard to get it done on time!