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  • Creating a Film-Look (revisited)

    I finished editing my first HD project in Edius 5.12 and now I'm experimenting with the "look" of the project before output. Prior to (semi-recently) switching to Edius, in the DV world I would go into Color Balance and raise the Chroma and Contrast. I would then go into anti-flicker and apply that at 50%. That combination would yield pretty good results. My current project shot with EX-1s at 1080 60i seems different. As I mentioned I'm still experimenting but it doesn't seem like I really need to add Chroma and Contrast (at least in this particular project). I used to manipulate the Color Balance a lot to achieve a quasi-color graded look. In terms of the antiflicker it may now be a problem. In shots that have a lot of motion they seem jittery and jumpy. I'm working all day and trying different antiflicker values but wanted to post to see what others think.
    David
    DMS Films, New York


    Laptop - Edius 7.42 / Intel Core i7 4960X Extreme Edition Desktop / 3.6GHz/4.0GHZ / 32GB Hyper-X Quad Channel 1600MHz Ram / Nvidia GeForce GTX-880 w/ 8GB of GDDR5 Video Memory / (3) 1TB SATA-3 V-NAND SSD / Windows 8.1 64-bit
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  • #2
    may I ask you something ? what is anti-flicker for ?

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    • #3
      Antiflicker deinterlaces the video and give it more of a progressive look.

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      • #4
        I really like the Old Movie/Film filter
        Remove all elements except Deinterlace and add a little border darkening to your project sequence.
        Here's an example on some footage from 2002.
        Antiflicker seems to work best on interlaced footage.
        Rusty Rogers | Films
        >TYAN S7025 - 32GB RAM, 2 x Xeon X5690's, 4 x 10k video HD's, Win10 x64, BM DecklinkHD, nVidia TITAN, 12TB DroboPro w/iSCISI connection
        >RAZER BLADE - QHD+ - 16GB RAM, i7-6700HQ Quad, 512GB SSD, Win10 x64, GeForce GTX 1060 6GB

        An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war.
        Twain - "Glances at History" 1906

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        • #5
          Antiflicker does give the footage a more progressive look. Many editors I know used the combination of filters I mentioned on DV footage. Now I'm trying to figure-out how that translates to HD (if in fact it does). I'm burning a BD right now without an anitiflicker filter to see what that looks like.
          David
          DMS Films, New York


          Laptop - Edius 7.42 / Intel Core i7 4960X Extreme Edition Desktop / 3.6GHz/4.0GHZ / 32GB Hyper-X Quad Channel 1600MHz Ram / Nvidia GeForce GTX-880 w/ 8GB of GDDR5 Video Memory / (3) 1TB SATA-3 V-NAND SSD / Windows 8.1 64-bit
          Desktop - Edius 5.5 / Intel i7 975 Quad Core 3.33GHz / 12GB DDR3 1333MHz / Nvidia GeForce GTX-275 / Vis Title 1.1 / FireCoder-Blu / (2) 27" LCDs / JVC DT-V24L1U (24" 1080p) / Windows Vista 64 - www.EditHD.com

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          • #6
            You'd be better off actually shooting in 30p or 24p instead of 60i...and experiment with the shutter speeds to get the "film look".

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            • #7
              I've done a little bit of shooting in 30p and it does give a much better film look. The downside is when you pan. There's never anything simple in this business.
              David
              DMS Films, New York


              Laptop - Edius 7.42 / Intel Core i7 4960X Extreme Edition Desktop / 3.6GHz/4.0GHZ / 32GB Hyper-X Quad Channel 1600MHz Ram / Nvidia GeForce GTX-880 w/ 8GB of GDDR5 Video Memory / (3) 1TB SATA-3 V-NAND SSD / Windows 8.1 64-bit
              Desktop - Edius 5.5 / Intel i7 975 Quad Core 3.33GHz / 12GB DDR3 1333MHz / Nvidia GeForce GTX-275 / Vis Title 1.1 / FireCoder-Blu / (2) 27" LCDs / JVC DT-V24L1U (24" 1080p) / Windows Vista 64 - www.EditHD.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GrassValley_BH View Post
                Antiflicker deinterlaces the video and give it more of a progressive look.
                sorry i am not english. what do you mean by giving more of a progressive look ? can u give an example ?

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                • #9
                  David, I'm with Rusty. Try the old movie filter with only the de-interlace selected, and play with the 2 de-interlace options. Then add a small amount of motion blur. I've started with a setting of 30 in the motion blur filter and adjusted from there.

                  I've also got another preset that I've created with additional filtering, but I'm nowhere near the editing computer right now - I'll post the settings when I can get to it.

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                  • #10
                    Rusty and plasma_video,

                    I'm going to give your suggestions a try. Thanks.
                    David
                    DMS Films, New York


                    Laptop - Edius 7.42 / Intel Core i7 4960X Extreme Edition Desktop / 3.6GHz/4.0GHZ / 32GB Hyper-X Quad Channel 1600MHz Ram / Nvidia GeForce GTX-880 w/ 8GB of GDDR5 Video Memory / (3) 1TB SATA-3 V-NAND SSD / Windows 8.1 64-bit
                    Desktop - Edius 5.5 / Intel i7 975 Quad Core 3.33GHz / 12GB DDR3 1333MHz / Nvidia GeForce GTX-275 / Vis Title 1.1 / FireCoder-Blu / (2) 27" LCDs / JVC DT-V24L1U (24" 1080p) / Windows Vista 64 - www.EditHD.com

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                    • #11
                      30p is still not so bad. I have to use 720, 25p on my HVX172 - and pan REALLY SLOW. For nature videos, it is okay, so long as you keep the subject of interest fixed in the frame. The shuttering of progressive scans can be minimised if the object of interest don't move, relative to the frame. The human eyes will ignore the background shuttering - it looks less annoying.
                      TingSern
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                      Edius 9.4 Pro, Lenovo P72 workstation laptop, 64GB RAM, Xeon CPU, Windows 10 Pro (64 bits), 2 x 2TB Samsung M2.NVME and 1 x 4TB Samsung SSD internal. Panasonic UX180 camera, Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema, Blackmagic Pocket Cinema

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                      • #12
                        I have really big project in the next couple of weeks and the client insists on 24p. Going to BD and the film festival circuit.
                        For interviews this will be fine, but there is lots of running sequences...
                        Is there a good approach to this???
                        Can Edius help? (on topic)
                        Rusty Rogers | Films
                        >TYAN S7025 - 32GB RAM, 2 x Xeon X5690's, 4 x 10k video HD's, Win10 x64, BM DecklinkHD, nVidia TITAN, 12TB DroboPro w/iSCISI connection
                        >RAZER BLADE - QHD+ - 16GB RAM, i7-6700HQ Quad, 512GB SSD, Win10 x64, GeForce GTX 1060 6GB

                        An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war.
                        Twain - "Glances at History" 1906

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                        • #13
                          Same technique of filming as nature videos. If you have to pan, do it real slow. For fast motion panning, keep the subject of interest in the same spot relative to the frame. The human eyes will follow the subject of interest and ignore the background - (and the obvious shuttering).

                          Haven't found anything in EDIUS that could help to eliminate shuttering due to 25p (or 24p in your case) - you simply MUST treat the video camera going in progressive scans as a traditional FILM camera.
                          TingSern
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                          Edius 9.4 Pro, Lenovo P72 workstation laptop, 64GB RAM, Xeon CPU, Windows 10 Pro (64 bits), 2 x 2TB Samsung M2.NVME and 1 x 4TB Samsung SSD internal. Panasonic UX180 camera, Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema, Blackmagic Pocket Cinema

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rusty View Post
                            I have really big project in the next couple of weeks and the client insists on 24p. Going to BD and the film festival circuit.
                            For interviews this will be fine, but there is lots of running sequences...
                            Is there a good approach to this???
                            Can Edius help? (on topic)
                            The only way to get this right will be using a 35mm adapter to reduce the depth of field.

                            A 35mm adapter will help you throw the background out of focus and make the judder less noticeable, and the audience will subconsciously follow the subject that is in focus.

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                            • #15
                              35mm adaptor is okay - provided he can cope with the weight and light loss.
                              TingSern
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                              Edius 9.4 Pro, Lenovo P72 workstation laptop, 64GB RAM, Xeon CPU, Windows 10 Pro (64 bits), 2 x 2TB Samsung M2.NVME and 1 x 4TB Samsung SSD internal. Panasonic UX180 camera, Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema, Blackmagic Pocket Cinema

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