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  • Making HQ from After Effects?

    Somewhat OT: Move if Necessary

    I have setup an After Effects comp that is 1280x720 and I want to make an HQ file to bring into Edius. I have setup the parameters in AE to make the HQ file (and as far as I know, they are all correct).

    When I go to render in AE, I get an error that says:

    "image size or format not supported by compressor, or there may be a hardware or memory problem"

    Is it possible to render HQs from AE?

    Is there a setting in AE I'm missing to sucessfully do it?

    Thanks!
    Sincerely,

    Mike Truly
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    www.trulymedia.com

    System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

    System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

  • #2
    I should also note that I can create HQs from Combustion on the same system and it creates them just fine... even across the network.

    Thanks!
    Sincerely,

    Mike Truly
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    Truly Media
    970.349.5651
    www.trulymedia.com

    System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

    System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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    • #3
      And I get the same error when trying to use Canopus Lossless codec in AE.

      Thanks!
      Sincerely,

      Mike Truly
      ----------------------------------------------------------------
      Truly Media
      970.349.5651
      www.trulymedia.com

      System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

      System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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      • #4
        I also have a question regarding AE and HQ something that I was not able to do, is there a way to encode and embed the alpha channel in the AVI using HQ? That would be great to have it doing 4:2:2:4!

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        • #5
          Julian,

          Are you able to sucessfully create a Canopus HQ or Canopus Lossless file from AE?

          It is not working for me. If you can do it, maybe it means it doesn't like the size comp I am using (1280x720).

          Thanks!
          Sincerely,

          Mike Truly
          ----------------------------------------------------------------
          Truly Media
          970.349.5651
          www.trulymedia.com

          System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

          System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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          • #6
            Mike,

            No, using AE6.5 Pro I can't output HQ in either 720 or 1080. same error here.

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            • #7
              I export Canopus Lossless and HQ files in DV frame sizes all the time (720x480) works perfectly. I use AE7 (CS3 coming soon). If you guys do interlaced video, make sure you choose the "DV Settings" for "Render Settings". It makes your exported file have 2 fields (Lower Fields First).

              For 720p footage, set your COMP settings to match this screenshot:



              Set your "Render Settings" to "Best Settings" since you are going to put these files in a progressive project in Edius.

              You can also do the above by selecting a DVCPROHD 720p project, and then unchecking "Lock Aspect Ratio" and entering "1280" in the Width box, and rechecking the "Lock Aspect Ratio".

              You're good to go after you use this comp setting for all 720p projects. I believe that CS3 has newer presets that make the above simpler to use.

              Now you can just render out using the CHQ codec or the Lossless codec through the "Output Module" in the Render Queue without any errors. For 1080i, there are already made presets for you...Use the "HDV 1800/29,97" preset in AE7 and you're good to go for this.

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              • #8
                Julian,

                Thanks for this info. I hope it's possible to make this work.

                Thanks again.
                Sincerely,

                Mike Truly
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                Truly Media
                970.349.5651
                www.trulymedia.com

                System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

                System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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                • #9
                  Stormdave,

                  Thanks for these settings... I will give them a try.

                  One question I have is, my productions/animations are basically rendered at 30fps. I will try your settings but I'm wondering how your 24fps settings relate to the errors I was getting with 30fps or 29.97fps settings I was using. I'll do some tests.

                  Thanks again!
                  Sincerely,

                  Mike Truly
                  ----------------------------------------------------------------
                  Truly Media
                  970.349.5651
                  www.trulymedia.com

                  System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

                  System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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                  • #10
                    Also I should mention I use AE7 pro currently as part of the Production Suite (CS3 will be coming later).

                    Thanks!
                    Sincerely,

                    Mike Truly
                    ----------------------------------------------------------------
                    Truly Media
                    970.349.5651
                    www.trulymedia.com

                    System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

                    System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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                    • #11
                      Mike, in AE7 there is preset called "HDV/HDTV 720/29.97" so try that for your 29.97 project, and Canopus HQ/Lossless should work fine.

                      What is your delivery target? That is an important question to ask.

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                      • #12
                        Stormdave,

                        OK, it appears to be somehow related to the fact that I run AE on my main workstation which is x64. I tried your settings and they didn't work for me. Then I tried slight variations on your settings and they still didn't work.

                        Then, I tried your settings on my workstation that is XP32 with Edius on it. This worked.

                        The x64 workstation has the Procoder3 dongle attached, which gives the HQ functionality to that system. The XP workstation has the Edius Dongle for it's HQ functionality.

                        Since Combustion (and other apps) make HQs on the x64 system just fine, it would be nice if it was possible to make HQs via AE too on the x64 system.

                        I have several ways to make this work but I hate hitting roadblocks in apps then having to jump to another one to make progress. Sigh... one more workaround.

                        Regarding delivery targets, it is several things... 16x9 SD DVD and MPEG1s and WMVs.

                        Thanks again.
                        Sincerely,

                        Mike Truly
                        ----------------------------------------------------------------
                        Truly Media
                        970.349.5651
                        www.trulymedia.com

                        System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

                        System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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                        • #13
                          Ah! Must be x64 related. Edius is not supported under that OS, I don't think PC3 is either, but they "might" work...I believe if you cal GV support and tell them the problems and tell them that you're using x64, they'll say "Not supported."

                          Try uninstalling PC3, then install Edius 4 (use the dongle from the other station, or run as 30 day trial). See if HQ works now. If yes, then the problem is PC3 and x64.

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                          • #14
                            Stormdave,

                            Yes, I'm sure Edius and PC3 is not supported on x64. But it works just fine aside from a few of these quirks. I'm sure if Grass Valley dedicated some time, it would work just fine... but that is probably not on their priority list.

                            Thanks again.
                            Sincerely,

                            Mike Truly
                            ----------------------------------------------------------------
                            Truly Media
                            970.349.5651
                            www.trulymedia.com

                            System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

                            System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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                            • #15
                              This issue has brought forth another issue.

                              OK, so now I'm able to make an HQ file from AE on my XP32 system.

                              The problem is, the rendered HQ file that's being created is too short! Let's say the length of the comp is 2 minutes. In AE, I can scroll through the timeline and see the full length animation. But when I go to render the HQ file, the resulting file is like 01:45 long instead of 02:00. I'm baffled.

                              I have checked each parameter I can find in AE but it's always rendering out a shorter clip.

                              Has anyone seen this before?

                              Thanks!
                              Sincerely,

                              Mike Truly
                              ----------------------------------------------------------------
                              Truly Media
                              970.349.5651
                              www.trulymedia.com

                              System1: Edius 7.41|Storm Mobile|Dual Xeon 3.1 (20 cores w HT OFF)|128GB RAM|Dual 512 SSDs|7TB RAID5|Dual Quadro5000s|Win7_64

                              System2: EdiusNX+Exp|Edius 6.03|Procoder3|XP32|Dual Xeon 3.6|4GB RAM|U320 RAID0 15K

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