Nested Sequence Question

[Mike Truly]

I have SequenceA and SequenceB, and SequenceB has IN and OUT points... is there a way to make SequenceB be only as long as the IN/OUT points when I place SequenceB inside of SequenceA?

I think not, but I am a nested sequence idiot at this point.

Thanks!

[antonsvideo]

yes, right click and choose add between in and out to bin as sequence

[Mike Truly]

Thanks Anton!

Guess my bin will get filled up as I was hoping to make SequenceB do this and not having to save a SequenceB2 just to get the IN/OUT version. I'll deal with it.

Thanks again.

[antonsvideo]

add a new bin and call it sub sequences :)

[Mike Truly]

I told you I was a sequence idiot!

Thanks!

[hvx_germanboy]

I told you I was a sequence idiot!

Thanks!

He he..i could second that...for myself of course..!

Sometimes i am really confused about that..specially when i am trying to clean up my BINs...sometimes i would close a Sequence on TL and it would ask if i want to "delete" this certain Sequence..but i dont think this is deleting anything from the BIN right?
If i wanna get this back, i can use the Sequence from the bin again right?

Just confused, as i have a huge documentary project, with 1000s of clips, dozens of sequences (some in use..other not anymore..) and i am wondering how i can clean up the BIN a smart way, to make Edius start quicker...!

I am editing in parallel with a friend and she has an older PC..guess what, sometimes it took her 40 minutes to open up a project...that kind of hurts..!

Any tips here?

[pjsssss]

That merely closes the sequence and does no affect the bin. It probably should have a different message. If you want to have a safety net when you first try it, rename the project and then do it.

[tingsern]

40 minutes just to open the project? 1 minute - and I am already grumbling .... I have salute her patience then. No - seriously, there's way too many files in your bin - you need to tidy it up.

[Mike Truly]

Another nested sequence question.

OK, I have a SequenceA with some IN/OUT points and I use the 'Add to Bin with IN/OUT' method and now I have a SequenceB in the bin that's cropped to the IN/OUT zone of SequenceA... fabulous. So I then use SequenceB in another sequence (Main Sequence).

But when I have to make a change to the contents of SequenceA, I go back to SequenceA and make some changes. (There was a clip in SequenceA that should have been video muted but was accidentally left ON and so I went back into SequenceA and muted it).

Here's my question. After making this change in SequenceA... why was SequenceB NOT showing this change in Main Sequence or SequenceB?

I literally had to delete SequenceB and then make another SequenceB so it would show in the Main Sequence.

Thanks!

[pjsssss]

If you have Sequences A & B in another Main Sequence C, then changes in A should be reflected in C. It should not in B because B is now a new sequence.

[Mike Truly]

Pat,

I may not be explaining this well.


SequenceB is used in the Main Sequence.
SequenceA is not used in the Main Sequence.
SequenceB was made from the IN/OUT points within SequenceA by using the 'Add to Bin with IN/OUT' function.

If I change SequenceA in any way... shouldn't SequenceB show these changes?

And if SequenceB should show the changes, they should be visible in the Main Sequence... where SequenceB is used?


I made changes to SequenceA... and SequenceB was NOT updated. Therefore, it also did not show any changes inside the Main Sequence. I just assumed that the use of all these sequences would make changes ripple through all of them.

Thanks!

[pjsssss]

Hi Mike,

I think I understand your question. This is not gospel, but as I undersatnd it, once you add anything to the bin (in this case a sequence), it is treated basically as a new clip. So any additional changes on the original will not be reflected. For it to work as you want, it would have to be copied to a new sequence and then that sequence could be used in another and would reflect changes made in the copied sequence.

I am doing a horrible job of explaining this, but try copying your section between the in and out to a new sequence and then use that one in the main sequence and see if that gets what you want.

I can see both instances where the way it woks now and the way you expect it to work would be beneficial. I totally understand your confusion and it might be a good request to have the Add to Bin sequence work the way you want.

[Mike Truly]

Thanks for the explanation Pat! I understand how it works now.

And I can see the value of both approaches. For my needs, I do feel that it would be better if it were (what is known in the 3D world) as an 'instance'... where anything you do to the original, is reflected in the instance. But I can work around this, no problem.


One other thing that's a bit strange about these nested IN/OUT sequences. Because of the nature of nested sequences, I would expect that one should edit the contents of a sequence within the sequence itself... not within a parent sequence in which the child is placed.

So for example, if you create a sequence from the IN/OUT points and place it inside a parent sequece, you should not be able to drag the IN/OUT points of the clip to make it longer than the originally defined sequence. You should be able to drag those points and make it shorter... but not longer. Yet you can drag them to be longer (and it shows little XXXs within the clip. This is weird to me. It would be more logical if the user was forced to return to the original defining sequence with the IN/OUT points to make it longer.

But I guess I'm a stickler for logic.

Thanks again!

[pjsssss]

I think it is just the way Edius is designed. This goes back to that same premise that once the nested sequence is created, all the rules of a regular clip apply to it. Since we can drag a regular clip to make it longer, you can also do it to the nested sequence (though it would have no particle purpose as you have pointed out).