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    I switched over from Preimere Pro where I was able to pan and zoom w keyframes.

    How is that done in Edius and will I need a seperate application? Also are there tutorials on the subject.

    Thanks

  • #2
    You'll find several threads on this in this forum, but here's the info again:
    - use PiP or 3D PiP inside Edius (keyers)
    better solution: use Imaginate (separate software from Edius)
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    • #3
      Originally posted by storyp24 View Post
      I switched over from Preimere Pro where I was able to pan and zoom w keyframes.

      How is that done in Edius and will I need a seperate application? Also are there tutorials on the subject.

      Thanks

      Bart is correct, there are a few threads on this but just so you know...

      The 3DPiP in Edius resizes graphics to the dimensions of the project (720x480, 1440x1080, etc...) so it is not the best solution for what you are trying to do.

      Imaginate (Another Grass Valley product) was created just for this and it allows you to move the pictures in 3D space.

      It is very easy to use, VERY powerful, and plugs in to Edius.

      You might want to check it out :)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GrassValley_MD View Post
        Imaginate (Another Grass Valley product) was created just for this and it allows you to move the pictures in 3D space.

        It is very easy to use, VERY powerful, and plugs in to Edius.

        You might want to check it out :)
        I may be wrong, but I thought I read here in the new forum somewhere that Imagainate is no longer a current product.

        Is this correct? Or is Imaginate continuing to be supported.

        I own Imagainate, but have put it away. I was never clear if it will work in HDV1 and HDV2 formats/sizes.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JackB View Post
          I may be wrong, but I thought I read here in the new forum somewhere that Imagainate is no longer a current product.

          Is this correct? Or is Imaginate continuing to be supported.

          I own Imagainate, but have put it away. I was never clear if it will work in HDV1 and HDV2 formats/sizes.
          You can still buy Imagainate through Canopus US, and an update is available through the support website. Mods... does this make it current?

          I'd like to see forum support for Imagainate again.

          Pull it out again, you can easily make 1080 projects that work in Edius.


          Because I'm an Imagainate newbie I have another question.

          Instruction enclosed with Imagainate says to make your Imagainate projects for use within Edius WITHOUT audio. Okay. My experience with audio saved in a project is that the audio has a nasty crackle. On the upside, waveforms are properly created for easy audio replacement and (best of all) Imagainate clips are of the correct length.

          Other than the fact that Edius imports Imagainate as 1 sec. clips... Is there any other reason to not include audio?
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          • #6
            Imaginate Program

            Because I'm an Imagainate newbie I have another question.

            Instruction enclosed with Imagainate says to make your Imagainate projects for use within Edius WITHOUT audio. Okay. My experience with audio saved in a project is that the audio has a nasty crackle. On the upside, waveforms are properly created for easy audio replacement and (best of all) Imagainate clips are of the correct length.

            Other than the fact that Edius imports Imagainate as 1 sec. clips... Is there any other reason to not include audio?[/QUOTE]


            I have used Imaginate in conjunction with Premire 6 for a couple of years. I animate the jpgs in Imaginage and splice my music in Premiere. Here I can use multiple tracks and overlay to blend them into each other. I time my music. Then go back to Imaginate and punch in the length of the project and export to Microsoft files (for Premiere) but for Edius to can export to Canopus files.

            Just watch the limitation in Imaginate as to how many clips you can use in one project. You may have to export it in 2 or 3 sections.

            Ted

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GrassValley_MD View Post

              It is very easy to use, VERY powerful, and plugs in to Edius.
              Could someone kindly explain the method of use between Edius and Imaginate when using this plug-in?

              I mean, with the plug-in does it circumvent having to render to a video file from Imaginate and import said file in Edius? (which sounds a pain).

              Can you make changes in Imaginate and see them update immediately in Edius?

              Thanks..
              Claire

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              • #8
                Good point Claire,

                Many folks seem to render a file, But I intend to open the .ivp (Imaginate) files directly within Edius. Each seems to have it's own advantages. My impressions so far...

                Rendered files work in all applications.
                have specific time output.
                work with embedded audio.
                can be trimmed.
                work with keyers/transitions.
                lose quality with speed change.

                .ivp files work in Edius, but in Im opinion is not fully intigrated (right-click menu>Edit... is greyed out).
                no rendering (why I chose Edius)
                change duration by stretching with no loss of resolution. (speed change not available)
                can contain a single image to use other than the standard Imaginate dissolve transition.
                embedded audio works, with limitations, but is not recommended.
                Imaginate changes are not immediately available (incomplete intigration)
                Beats the the stuffin' of 3d-PnP for image quality.
                What else have I missed???



                Rusty
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rusty View Post
                  Imaginate changes are not immediately available (incomplete intigration)
                  Rusty
                  Hmm, so Rusty, if as you say the .ivp file is all that is needed in Edius, which sounds great if this means a render from Imaginate is not needed, then how and when does Edius update it's timeline if the Imaginate project needs to be edited?

                  Does one have to close and re-open Edius or delete the ivp file and re-import it?

                  Thanks!!
                  Claire

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                  • #10
                    Claire, you're on the right track. Imaginate and Edius can run at the same time. (Imaginate can run multiple instances too! (cool!))

                    My experience sez...
                    Yes the .ivp files go directly on the timeline and my HD sized Imaginate files playback in RT.

                    I think I have this figured out, but it works

                    With an Imaginate file on the timeline...
                    Update file in Imaginate.
                    Edius timeline & bin now shows file missing.
                    Restoration Dialog box opens... choose No.
                    Delete from timeline only. (this must be done!)
                    In bin, Right-click>Explorer...
                    Original file is already selected. Here's where it gets wierd... but okay.
                    Drag your file back to the bin (the bin picon updates before your mouse even gets to the bin!) or skip the bin and drag to the timeline!

                    I see why this product has not completely reached obsolescence. With a few tweaks it could easily beat other products hands-down.

                    Hope this helped more than confuses, Rusty
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                    • #11
                      you can edit an IVT direct on timeline, right click, open file, IM2 opens, when done save and it is updated

                      I prefer rendering out a video from IM2 (DV format)

                      Lossless, Uncompressed and HQ export options are broken in the standard def world and cause huge black bars below the exported still
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                        you can edit an IVT direct on timeline, right click, open file, IM2 opens, when done save and it is updated
                        Sounds wonderful, I would be using HDV like Rusty and this method makes much more sense to me than rendering replacement movies each time the imaginate project is updated, still not sure why you want want to do that Anton, though I expect SD will render very fast.
                        Claire

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                        • #13
                          I also work with IVT direct on timeline for short imaginate projects

                          but when hundreds of stills are involved, I prefer to render out a file from IM2 (easier archiving) which is almost realtime on my system

                          however, the more I play with IVT direct on timeline, the more I like it, I may scrap the render idea soon
                          Anton Strauss
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JackB View Post
                            I may be wrong, but I thought I read here in the new forum somewhere that Imagainate is no longer a current product.

                            Is this correct? Or is Imaginate continuing to be supported.

                            I own Imagainate, but have put it away. I was never clear if it will work in HDV1 and HDV2 formats/sizes.
                            Is there something wrong with the question? Why won't a GV person answer it?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JackB View Post
                              Is there something wrong with the question? Why won't a GV person answer it?
                              It works with HD size also, I do it all the time.
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