sharpness Edius Monitor

[hlips]

Dear Edepts,
Does anyone have an explanation for the fact that the picture in the Edius monitor seems to be less focused than on a TV Screen?

[antonsvideo]

is Edius overlay set to direct draw or 3D?

got a good graphics card?

what is your Edius monitor, model number?

[xtz_]

Or maybe you using too big Edius player window if your project is SD?

[hlips]

is Edius overlay set to direct draw or 3D?

got a good graphics card?

what is your Edius monitor, model number?

Can you tell me what the difference is between direct draw or 3D?
The other option is field or frame. Again, which is best for sharpness.
graphics card is VGA ASUS 9600GT and monitors SamsungTFT20"T200

[antonsvideo]

3D = overlay generated by the graphics card

direct draw = overlay generated by the PC processor (not as good)

update period field = what you should use

update period frame = looks very funny with ghosting and watery look during movement, I have no idea why to use this?

[mattmatt]

Anton, is that true for progressive projects too? Doesn't sound right to use fields when there aren't any....

[antonsvideo]

Anton, is that true for progressive projects too? Doesn't sound right to use fields when there aren't any....

I suppose progressive is a different story, I don't have any such files to test

I can switch my XDCAM HD camera to progressive mode, however the result looks like flicker vision (like going to cinema), so I don't use progressive

[SoundFreak]

the result looks like flicker vision (like going to cinema), so I don't use progressive

Until today I still don't get the hype about progressive / film look footage.
What's so great about that ..............

[rone]

If you don't get it then you probably don't need convincing.

It's project dependent - like all visual elements the decision to give a production a certain look is one that can be enabled with lighting, camera angles, location, in-camera settings, post-production etc. Progressive adds its name amongst these and re-creates the juddery motion of film (assuming a low framerate), and that implies a certain look.

For instance we shoot most docs in progressive, it's higher quality than interlace for a start and gives a timeless feel to the piece whilst embossing that film feel.

Also interlace is a restriction that harks back to the old days of making maximum use of broadcasting bandwidth - and comes with its own artefacts - that do not come with progressive.

Don't forget using higher framerates of progressive yields the best of both worlds in terms of temporal and spacial resolution - but that needs bandwidth.

(There are no fields in the native editing domain using 24/25p - however for output to a PAL or NTSC system fields are relevent - but not for editing.) Edius sorts all that out anyway.

[mattie]

This thread is going off topic (as per usual) but when you talk about progressive you really need to know if you are using the low frame rates 24/25/30p or higher rates 50/60p

the low rates are what gives the flicker film look.

The 50/60p should be flicker free and give the best 'normal' results -

I now use 50p mode all the time on my Sony EX1 as it gives the best smooth motion pictures for progressive displays ~ (plus also is also the best format for downconversion to DVD in SD as 50/60i would be de-interlaced in Edius 1st before getting re-interlaced at DVD frame size - can produce lots of jaggies)

[GrassValley_BH]

The only 100% reliable display is from EDIUS-supported output hardware. On-screen preview is just that - preview. It'll get close, but it's not spot-on for what your viewer will see, unless your output is for PC playback, but even that won't be the same because of formats and individual computer settings.

[SoundFreak]

It's project dependent - like all visual elements the decision to give a production a certain look

That part I do understand, it's just that lot's of so called videographers do progressive with low end cam's and just convince themselves that it looks great.

Must be my age catching up, I also don't enjoy all those extreme fast cut movies that jump from one special effect to another.

Back to topic ....................