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  • GrassValley_BH
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    The 3-pin XLR jack is a bit of a tricky one, because like RCA and BNC connectors, it can carry different types of signal depending on the source device.

    What you need to find out is whether the connecting there is digital or analog, then balanced or unbalanced audio. It's unlikely that it's digital, so let's assume analog audio. If it's balanced (likely), you'll need a converter to go from balanced XLR to unbalanced consumer line-level RCA. If it's unbalanced (unlikely), then it depends on the signal level - it might work directly, but you might need a converter than will change the level.

    You're right - generally channel 1 = Left, channel 2 = Right.

    Check the deck again though - it might have an unbalanced RCA or BNC audio output too.

    It's moot, but for reference, to interface with the deck you have, the ADVC700 or ADVC3000 would be the better choices as they have balanced XLR analog audio interfaces designed to interface with this "level" of deck.

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  • haragsdale
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    Thanks. OK, so after losing 5-6 eBay auctions for various Sony SVO-5800's, I got tired of losing and bid up a bit more ... on two different ones ... and of course, I managed to win them both. (Yes, sometimes I am a moron.) Both will go back up on eBay when I'm done with this little project. One of them came with a wired remote.

    One of them arrived a couple of days ago, and I just set it up a few minutes ago. I have a few more newb questions; hope you have the patience. The first question is audio. I have never seen audio "jacks" like the ones on this VCR. I guess I need to get some sort of conversion cable from that jack (3 pins) to regular RCA? (There is an RCA-type connector to allow one to monitor audio, but it's just a single jack, no left and right. I assume that won't work well going into either left or right on the Canopus converter.) Poking around a bit, maybe this connector is called XLR? There are XLR to RCA cables out there; do I want unbalanced? Is Ch1 = left and Ch2 = right? (Can you imagine how much of a bonehead I feel like?!)

    Second question is whether there is an easy way to know how to set the many buttons and dials for best quality or which ones to experiment with. Frankly, there are so many that I'm worried about doing something that makes it nearly unplayable. The TBC control area, which I gather is why I acquired this particular unit to begin with, has four separate "dials." There are buttons all over the front. And that's before you get into the menu, which I wouldn't even have known about except for the Menu Card that was supplied. (There is no manual, just the card. I have ordered a manual.)

    I did manage to import some video into iMovie, but the two problems are enough junk at the bottom of the display that it'd be awfully nice to remove it (I fooled around a bit with tracking, but it seems best at fixed), plus the audio problem.

    It seems clear that you do this professionally, so it's really not fair for me to bug you for free advice. If you're willing, then great. And otherwise, perhaps we could work something out. I have about 11 hours of old video to import. It's mostly of my kids, and it's worth something to me to get it done well.

    Thanks.

    --Terry

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  • antonsvideo
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    the SVO-9500MD TBC is nowhere near as good, I would save up for the 5600 player or 5800 player/recorder

    keep in mind that none of the pro units will play tapes shot in long play modes

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  • haragsdale
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    Any decent alternatives to SVO-5600 and 5800?

    I am a newb, have found in my experimenting so far that quality of conversion to digital of my old C-VHS home videos is not very good on my several crappy, old VCRs, none of which have S-video out, for example. Searched this forum for VCR recommendations, and Anton very consistently recommends the Sony SVO-5800 or SVO-5600, partly for the TBC. I have been looking on eBay for these units, and they do come up from time to time, but the current offerings are at $800, which is too rich for my blood. Will any of the other Sony SVO models do OK? For example, the SVO-9500MD (the MD is for medical) seems to have TBC as well, but of course, I have no idea how it compares to 5600/5800.

    Any advice?

    Thanks very much.

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  • antonsvideo
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    The best S-VHS/VHS player you can buy is the Sony SVO-5600 (find one on ebay)

    it has a top notch built in TBC with real good Y and C noise reduction

    VHS will look cleaner than you have ever seen it before, believe me, I have one (in my case the SVO-5800 player/recorder)

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  • biopic
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    Yes Brandon, in fact I don't think I've ever seen a machine with a Y/C SCART connector, that does not also have an S-video jack.

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  • GrassValley_BH
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    As I understand SCART (we don't use SCART in the US), it's just a connection-conversion, so if the deck outputs S-Video via SCART, then it's the deck, not the SCART adapter, doing the Y/C separation, so it'd be the same as if the deck had an S-Video jack.

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  • trupac
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    Thats exactly my problem now..im thinking does it worth to buy an svhs deck just because of 5 vhs tapes..
    I found one expensive VHS deck to borrow ( Sony Slv e 820 ),but it has again a scart output,but i think it can output svideo through that scart - svideo adapter..
    now my question is, if it will work , will i get the same s-video signal from this scart adapter,or it will be worse than if it would have originally an svideo output on the deck ??

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  • GrassValley_BH
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    From a technical standpoint, the better the input the signal, the better the capture and encoding.

    But on the practical side I question whether it's worth buying a new SVHS deck just for capturing a few VHS tapes. Might be better off renting one, or even asking a friend to do it for you.

    Back when I had disposable income, I'd do it, but I am (err, used to be) geeky that way.

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  • 2Bdecided
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    Remember that digital video, both DV and MPEG, uses the YUV domain.

    If you look at the U and V planes captured via composite - vs - captured via S-video, there is a huge difference, even for a VHS source. The composite version has very messy edges, while the S-video version has clean edges.

    The difference is much harder to see on the full colour video (that's why people were happy with composite for so long!) BUT your MPEG-2 encoder (assuming your final output is DVD) may have a much easier time encoding the clean UV planes from S-video than encoding the messy UV planes from a composite capture.


    My comparisons are with PAL. Maybe the ADVC's comb filter on NTSC makes composite captures cleaner.

    Cheers,
    David.

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  • GrassValley_BH
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    In my experience you get best playback from the device that originally recorded the tape. That's because the heads are (hopefully) in the exact same alignment they were when the recording was made.

    Like floppy drives, VHS deck heads tend to get out of alignment over time.

    I found this Videomaker article quite helpful, especially in terms of "real-world" application of S-Video (Y/C) versus Composite (CVBS).
    http://www.videomaker.com/article/3308/

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  • trupac
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    I tryed to capture from my DVD players S-video and composite out,to see the difference between them,and there's just a little bit of difference..the color was the same on both,i didnt see any difference in color..
    Really the VHS tape played back on SVHS player is not that good as on VHS player ?? that surprised me..
    1more thing : connecting my dvd player to Tv, which 1is better the scart or S-video ??? or its the same ?

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  • biopic
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    I seem to recall Anton saying a few years ago that there is a theoretical technical reason why a VHS tape played back on an "ideal" S-VHS deck can never be quite as good as when played on an "ideal" VHS deck. And as only S-VHS decks (and maybe a few very expensive professional VHS decks) have connections other than composite, there seems to be nowhere else to go.

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  • kbosward
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    I have noticed a difference between using S-video and composite connection on VHS source material even when it is not so good quality (eg. a recording of a recording). The difference is on the edges of colours. With the composite connection there is noticeable colour fringing. But you have to be looking for it to notice it :)

    In my opinion the main advantage of S-VHS players is that they usually also have built-in video stabilisation. This gives a much more stable signal, particularly with older tapes.

    Ken.
    Last edited by kbosward; 03-18-2008, 06:04 AM.

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  • GrassValley_BH
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    Originally posted by trupac View Post
    It's a standard VHS player,not a S VHS player..so i dont need even to "repin" the adapter it wont help??
    I was grabbing video with a short composite cable..and the picture was good,almost the same as on the tape..
    Getting S-Video out of the deck might help, but in my opinion it's probably not worth spending a lot of time or money on it since as you say the signal over Composite looks good.

    Just my opinion...

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